Western religious nihilism

One of the things that I wanted to talk about was this idea that the Christians have now accepted, which is that you can be a moral person and not believe in god. No. You can't. And and and your society is proof that that's not possible. I mean, you can say it, but it it comes down to this.

Like like, you wouldn't accept that. You wouldn't believe that if I were to tell you, for example, that there was a case of police brutality. Okay? There's a case of police brutality, but don't worry. The police are gonna investigate it.

The police are gonna police themself. Nobody accepts that. Everyone knows that's not real, and that's what you're doing. You're saying you can police yourselves. And we we've seen plenty of evidence that you cannot.

You absolutely cannot police yourselves any more than than your brutal police can police themselves and and prevent their own brutality. Doesn't happen. You have to believe. You have to know and hold yourself accountable to a a a supreme authority that is independent of you. That's that you that that's a requirement in life.

That's a requirement in the dunya, and everyone knows that, and everyone accepts that. Like, if you have like like, again, if you have, you know, a case of embezzlement or something in a company, the company will investigate and will will decide what to do. There's no no outside auditor, you know. I mean, why is there an IRS, You know? Internal Revenue Service.

To ensure compliance.

To to ensure compliance, to make sure that you pay your taxes. Yeah. Because otherwise, they could say, well, we'll just trust everybody to pay their taxes. Yeah. And then the government would be bankrupt immediately.

And you know it.

But you know it.

Yeah. And you but that's the thing. You know it in every practical situation except this one where you think, no. People, human beings can police themselves and make themselves moral. No.

You can't. So And you and you and you do nothing but continuously provide us evidence that that claim is false. There's no evidence for that claim whatsoever that you can that you can be a moral person and not believe in God. There's no evidence for that whatsoever. You what you can do is feel that you're moral while being completely immoral.

That's what is that's what has been proven. Are

you bunches of bloody things?

Yeah. Because because religion and morality has never been anything but a garnish Uh-huh. For you. You know, that like, that that that that pretty thing that they put on a meal that you're not even supposed to eat. It just makes it look nice, but nobody eats it.

That's not what religion actually is, and that's why there is only one religion actually on Earth. And, obviously, that's Islam. Everything else is a garnish that you put on your culture to to make it look prettier, to make it look more moral, to make it look, I don't know, sanctimonious. But it but but you're indistinguishable from any no matter what your religion is, you're indistinguishable from people who have no belief in religion. And like I said, you can't even successfully argue with an atheist to justify why they should be religious, why they should believe in God.

Because you because they they they've got you they they put you in what you have accepted to be a corner, which is that they can be more without God. And you accept that. So then so where are you left to argue for your religion if you think that religion is only about this? Know? I mean, first of all, like I said, no.

You can't. You can't be moral without belief in God because that's that's the police policing themself and and and deciding for themself what's moral and what's not moral. And you will always decide that whatever you do, it's moral. Yeah. Human beings will always decide.

If you'll give them the power to decide that, they will always decide that whatever it is that I want to do, it's the moral thing. You know? Without without fail, they will always justify what they do. Just like the West has done for centuries without interruption. You do the most immoral, the most brutal, the most exploitative, the, you know, the worst things that human beings have ever done on Earth, and still you hold your head up high, you know, and and claim for yourself that you're the moral authority on earth when when all of your victims know otherwise.

Because it's kind of tricky when you when you when you believe that your start your beginning is not a clear state. You don't have a clear state. You're already a sinner. You're born into super. You know?

That's that's that's loathing.

Well, the okay. Okay. There there's the there's okay. There's that. But I think even more important than that, all of that all of that is just just just causes severe dysfunction in you psychologically and emotionally.

Mhmm. But I'm interested in practical behavior in real life, real world behavior. What's going on inside your head is your problem. But the way you act in society is my problem and is all our problem. But if you believe like I I said it actually in the last session, you have removed conduct from the equation of salvation.

Yes. And all you have to do is accept Jesus Christ as my lord and savior, and I'm good to go. That means you don't believe in anything. That means you don't believe in anything. You don't believe in goodness.

You don't believe in evil. You don't believe in either of these things that the either of these things really exist, and you don't believe in judgment. If you actually think that your own conduct has no bearing whatsoever on what's gonna happen to you, then then everything is arbitrary, which which which makes you exactly like an atheist. Everything is arbitrary.

I mean, again

There's no sense you're a nihilist. You can call yourself a Christian, but you're a nihilist.

This reminds me of also another one another story that I remember sharing with you about this man who committed so many shins. At the point of his death, he told instructed his sons to Ah. To make him and throw his ashes everywhere because he didn't wanna he thought he could escape the wrath of a mob. Yeah. And then when he was asked why he had done that and and yet expressed it, it's due to his Yes.

Of his help.

Yeah. Know that you would you could punish me.

I mean, just

I feared I feared you punishing me.

Yeah. This this is the basis Yeah. You know, of your salvation. Yeah. You know?

This this is remarkable.

Knowing the reality of judgment.

Yeah.

Knowing the reality that you have a creator and that you are accountable to your creator. So, I mean, if you're saying that that that that people can be moral without this, then you're saying that there's that that we don't need in society any mechanisms of any kind for anyone for accountability.

I mean, because because the the this example is interesting. He clearly lived his life. Mhmm. Right? But he was stuck conscious internally, he's not gonna apply what he had done, and that's because of morality.

Well,

this is the difference between sin and disbelief. This is why this is why, at a sinner, we know there's a difference between sinning and disbelieving. There's a difference between sin and kufa. I sin and I know I'm accountable. And I hope to be forgiven, but I fear being punished.

If you remove the hope of forgiveness and the fear of punishment, then you're just a nihilist. There's not there's not you believe in nothing. Really. Your conduct is irrelevant. Your your conduct is irrelevant to you being a good person, and you being a good person is irrelevant.

So, I mean, like I said, you can convince yourself that you're good no matter what you do. Everybody his thought he was good. You know? The West has has I thought that they were good when they were calling calling their slavery and exploitation and oppression in the in the global South, the white man's burden, telling themselves that they were civilizing the world, civilizing people who were millennia ahead of them in civilization. They thought that they were civilizing people whose civilizations they were trying to destroy.

You know? They convinced themselves of that, and they believe it until today. And some of the some of their big, you know, people like Richard Dawkins and and Douglas Murray, don't believe it until now. They can convince themselves of anything.