Middle Nation Regions Briefing: Somalia

Welcome to today's episode. We're turning our attention to the whole of Africa, focusing on Somalia and Somaliland and the wider interests of The United States as well as other countries in the region. This is a story of politics, of power, and the future of the African continent. Joining us is brother Irias. He is our East Africa region lead, and he will take us deeper into the issues at play currently.

Brother Elias, welcome. Lovely to have you with us. Please go ahead. Speak to us about what's happening, in Somalia.

Thank you, sister Nisa and Middle Nation for inviting me for this great conversation. Looking forward to discuss with you guys, important events going on in, the Horn Of Africa specifically, so let's get right into it. So the the main focus of my conversation today will mostly be on the macro level, the new establishment of the new federal member state, which is now called Northeastern State. I believe it is either the sixth or seventh now federal member state of Somalia. Excuse me.

In in Somali, it's the the state is called Rokoyi Badi is what the the state is called for those who are interested. So kinda gonna peel back the layers and go back in the timeline to how this came about, what led to it, who was involved, that kind of sort of thing. So, let's get into it. So just a little bit of context regarding the region, who lives there, the people involved. This region of Northeastern State is occupied by a few different clans, namely the Dulbahante clan and also the Waresengeli clan are are inhabitants of that region.

And, essentially, the this this region of Somalia has always been a disputed region between Puntland, which is the neighboring state to the Far East, and Somaliland, which, seceded from Somalia in 1991. The the the kinda, I would say, the spark plug for what led to the creation of this state was the, Los Anos the recent Los Anos War, which happened in 2023, beginning in February and then ultimately ending in August of that same year. So to give you some context on this issue and what happened, remember, since about 2007, this region of, Somalia or Somaliland, was essentially administered or or, seized by, the Somaliland administration. And up until between 2007 and now, there's been a, you know, a lot of disputed conversations, some, some issues here and there. But, ultimately, everything hit a fever pitch once December 2022 came about where a local opposition politician, by the name of Abdulahi Abdi, who was, unfortunately, assassinated by unknown attackers.

And the after effect of this killing, sparked a lot of anti government protests across the city of Las Anod. Now, between December and December 2022 and February 2023, there was a lot of back and forth going on. Both parties, meaning, like, the, Lassan region and Somalian administration were both pointing the fingers at each other on who who started it, who did what, and what had happened. So, ultimately, in, in February 2023, local clan leaders, commanded their, local militias to defend themselves against anybody who was looking to attack the population in the region, which ultimately sparked the war. Unfortunately, there was a lot of innocent lives lost.

A lot of people were displaced. The United Nations, United States, a lot of government bodies and and also, nongovernmental bodies have released reports on this, regarding what had happened and, urging people to, deescalate the situation and come to an understanding so that people's lives and and displacement is is significantly reduced. So, what ended up happening was, if we fast forward after the war, or sorry, into August 2023, the the Seoul, Senag, Ain region at a leadership, administration had ultimately seized a very strategic military base in, the surrounding areas of Los Anod, and they ultimately, declared victory over the the the the war that was going on. Once that happened, that's where we kinda get into the official rollout, of the or or I would say the tires got kicked for the formation of the the the new federal member state, which we have today. So once the the the last I don't know if those were in August, We fast forward over into February sorry, January 2024.

At this time, keep in mind, Somaliland's president, was president Musabiri. And he he he did something very interesting because, once that war was over, president Hassan Shiach, invited president Musa Biyi to Djibouti to have I believe it was, like, a peace conference of some sort, where, both parties came together. They all they they met. I I don't know if it was the first time, but, it was a very interesting meeting. They met in Djibouti, had the conference.

Musa president Musa Bikri was accompanied by, I believe, his vice president or it might have been her as minister of defense. And Somalia's foreign minister at that time, who is now Somalia's minister of defense, minister, Fiqi, ended up signing, I believe there were documents kind of giving, like, a promise to not escalate this, to bring an end to this, to bring justice, that sort of thing. So I I I could be wrong, but I don't know if it was a day later, but it might have been a day or two later. President Musa Bibi flew to Addis Ababa to meet president Abid and infamously signed what's known as the MOU that, was, quote, unquote, going to give Somaliland international recognition in exchange for a bunch of things, just to name a few. Ethiopia was to get, 20 kilometers of leased land.

The Somaliland, I believe, was also, in addition to the international recognition, going to receive shares in Ethiopian Airlines. There was some other investments, like, I believe a corridor was going to be built to, enhance trade between the two. So there there was a couple, incentives for both parties, that was involved. Just a tad side note, this sparked a lot of, discomfort and and and outrage, from the community because I believe it kinda blindsided the Somali federal government because, like, a day or two ago, Moussa Bier had just met with them. President Moussa Bier had just met with them, and they've come to an understanding regarding the aftermath of the last Arnold war.

You know? So, ultimately yeah. Like I said, it the the MOU with, Ethiopia and Somaliland kinda blindsided a lot of regional stakeholders. So this, led the federal government to ultimately reach out to all of its loyal allies, such as Egypt was involved. China definitely came into the fold.

I know Turkey was also involved as well too in terms of allying with Somalia and trying to encounter this this MOU. So what ended up happening was, between January 2024, there was a lot of, pressure on Abi, president Abi Ahmed from Ethiopia to not sign this MOU, for many reasons, of course, just just just of what it could spark in the Horn Of Africa and the wider region. There was a lot of dissatisfaction. But on the flip side, on the Somaliland side, there was a lot of, it seemed like the approval rating was high, mainly because this is something that Somaliland has been, in quest for for a very long time. They've been looking for international recognition.

And, you know, they saw this as their opportunity to finally get it. But, ultimately, it seems like now the MOU kind of has been swept under the rug. I I don't know if they made I I don't believe Ethiopia has made any official announcements about it, now that they have a new administration in. Another side note too regarding the MOU, leaders within Somaliland, I believe, were also there was some there was, some opposition within Somaliland because, the MOU that was signed was not passed to the house. It was not, viewed by other stakeholders, law policymakers.

So the the normal protocol you would with something this big, the most important players, some of them or I I believe all of them, really. I I don't believe most of president must have been really consulted with anybody who has a stake in in in the policy of of Somaliland. So just for context, I wanted to add that part. Now if we, fast forward to, November 2024, now remember between, January 2024, November 2024, I like I said, there was a lot of back and forth, a lot of international people sending out press releases explaining that this will cause escalation. So there was a lot of pressure on Musa Biri.

And also, Abi Ahmed too as well. You know, his his approval rating was dropping fast because, you know, people would see that this is a very aggressive move to violate the sovereignty of Somalia. So it was a lot of immense, immense pressure, from the international community. So coming into November 2024, Musa Bhi was replaced by the current president, Abdelharman Ero, who was on the opposition party of of the Somalian political spectrum. And I believe before he was inaugurated as a president, he himself mentioned that because the MOU was not passed through the right protocol, the the the the correct channels, he would look at it essentially to see if this is something worth pursuing, if this is gonna be something that's damaging for us, etcetera, etcetera.

So if we fast so that's basically the that that that's that's the the fallout of the Los Anos conflict, essentially. Now if we fast forward to the top of this year, 2025, this is where it gets a lot of, really dense information because a lot of things have happened beginning with the inauguration of Donald Trump, who was now the president of The United States. And early this year, there was a lot of rumors about Donald Trump recognizing Somaliland, you know, through different outlets and and media sources. So what the Somali federal government they did a couple things. Firstly, there was actually a verified letter by, by the president of Somalia, who who it was a diplomatic letter he sent to the White House explaining that I I get I'm not sure which term to use it as, but I believe it was some sort of air quotes, like a political hedge to try to get ahead of the recognition or the the rumors that were swelling at the time.

So, Hassan Sheikh essentially, president Hassan Sheikh essentially told the the White House that, hey. If you wanna get access to all these strategic ports on the coast of, Somalia or Somalia, you know, work with the federal government. We will give you access. We will, you know, we will we will strike a deal with you. Like, kinda like I'm paraphrasing here, by the way.

This is not what was in the letter, but just so you understand, it was that was the rhetoric around the the memo. Now a few months later, in April 2025, there was a lot of rumors going around that the prime minister of, of Somalia, Hamza Hamza Bara, I believe is his name, was actually going to make a trip up north to the Los Anos region after, there's been some conversations with the leaders of SSC and the other, clan leaders of the region on establishing what is now the, Northeastern, states. So this between, I would say, the 2023 and April 2025, there was a lot of conversations, a lot of meetings. They they had actually a huge conference that lasted about nine days, on how the state was gonna be established, who was gonna be involved, the key stakeholders, etcetera, etcetera. So, the rumors actually were true, and what ended up happening was something very historic in my opinion based on Somali's history.

The prime minister of Somalia actually took the trip up north, and this is coming off the heels of that letter that Hassan Sheikh sent to the White House. So the federal government, kind of now I I know a lot of people say they're very unpopular now, and there's a lot of opposition to them. But in terms of a political sense, I would say for the unity of the country, these moves kinda helped, from a, like, a macro level, prevent any foreign interference in in in partitioning of Somalia. You know? So the prime minister went to a region, by the way, that has not that that no, like, premier parliament member has been to in, I believe, forty plus years.

The last, like, premier parliament member that went to the North, unfortunately lost his life, who was one of the presidents of Somalia, I believe, 1967. Whose name is president Sharmarki. He was assassinated, unfortunately, by one of his own security members. So that was the last time that someone, or you know what? Excuse me.

Pardon me. The president did go to the North in the eighties. He had, like, a a tour, but it's been a long time, ultimately. That that that's the point I'm trying to get at. So this move was seen and by a lot of Somali people, honestly, not only from the outside in the diaspora, but within the country, especially in the Los Anos region as a very positive move because I know that region of Somalia has been yearning for some sort of regional administration that is connected to the federal government.

So it it kind of, gave a lot of people hope in the sense that, okay. We've now come to establish our federal regional administration. We're we're we're we're separate from Somalia or sorry. Well, we're separate from Somaliland. So, now we kinda have our foot in the door.

So, ultimately, that's how the new federal member state came into existence. Once the prime minister came, he gave a speech, explaining how we are now committed to supporting our brothers in the North, assisting them with technical assistance, any type of, financial resources support. It all came up there.

My question

A lot of people from that yes. I'm sorry.

My my question between Somaliland Somalia and Somalia sending, you know, a a letter to the White House. And the aim, obviously, is to show that they are the legitimate government. You know, they are establishing that to make sure that The United States deal with them in terms of this. Mhmm. Are there any sort of conflicts between Somalia and Somaliland?

I know that the narrative is or it is shown in media that Somalia is a little bit more chaotic con compared to Somaliland, which is shown to be well governed, and they can do things on their own. Those tribes are, you know, working together. So do you find that there are still conflicts happening between Somaliland and Somalia, or is this just politically trying to get The United States just to or somebody just to recognize that Somaliland is a, you know, a separate country or sovereign state on its own? Because no other country is recognizing Somaliland as a sovereign state. And the Somalia is trying to show that, well, actually, you still belong to us politically, diplomatically.

Yeah. I I would say that I mean, as of right now, I I don't believe there's any ongoing serious like, there there were some little, you know, sparks in the pan. Like, nothing really major, I would say. And for that, to be quite honest, because that's really not going to bring anything. But, ultimately, this is mostly political.

Like, I I would also say exclusively political in terms of the the the the tug the tug and war that's going on between, both administrations. The Somaliland side of things, really are, adamant about getting their international recognition and independence from Somalia, which they they say they got in '91. And Somalia, of course, has since been trying to rebuild the federal member state, trying to bring stability. You know, depends on who you ask. Some say it's it's it's a failed state.

Some some say there's no progress made. I'm more realistic in the sense that, I see I do see progress being made, from from the federal government standpoint. I feel like the whole idea of Somalia being failed and all these negative things is just something to discredit the federal the government. And and albeit the little progress they made, it's not really helpful in terms of, you know, the the the broader region. So that that would be my take on on on it, I would say.

So, yeah, I I hopefully, that answered the question. I I'm not sure if I did, but I hope I did in in

that respect. Yes. There is a little bit there is one thing that I'm still thinking about. You know, with the new state, Northeastern state, the new state that has just been established

Mhmm.

They've moved away and please correct me, where I'm where I'm wrong. So it used to be part of Somaliland, but it is now being recognized as definitely under Somalia. It is a federal state under Somalia, and it used to be under Somaliland or Somaliland claimed it. Are there Mhmm. Any conflicts happening with this move that that is happening right now?

Yeah. So, before it was established as a federal member state, the Mokdisha, which is a capital city, had always recognized that Somaliland was to administer this region. So they were under Somalian administration. Now with the aftermath of the last Ano War and and and the history and the context involved, Somalia, the federal government, has established them as their own federal member state. So what that means is the land that Somaliland is claiming has essentially been cut in a third.

Or or, sorry, one third of it has been has been, they've essentially lost a third of their their claim territory. With that being said, there are now rumors, swirling, that the Far Northwest region, of Somalia or excuse me, Somaliland, it's now being un administered under Somaliland, is actually on the verge too as well of gaining federal membership as well too. This state is called Aodal, and it's in the very far, far corner of Somalia. It's it's it's literally bordering Djibouti, Ethiopia. It's kinda stuck in that little that northwest corner there.

And this state is a very strategic state. It's literally the mouth of the, I I guess, the the very bottom of the the Bab Of Marduk where where which is direct access to the the Red Sea. You know, there's there's a lot of natural resources in that region. It's a very rich region. You know?

So there's a lot at stake regarding that. I believe the the minister of defense had just, had consultations with a sultan from that region. So I the there the, there has been reports that there was an upcoming drought, affecting that region. So the federal government has also tried to deliver humanitarian aid to the region. So there's a lot of moving parts in regards to that region.

It's a little too premature to really comment comment on it, to be quite honest, because it's still technically under some islands control and administration. But that in the future is definitely something to keep an eye on because, ultimately, what it would do is, strategically, it would cut Somaliland's claim territory now in two so two thirds of Somaliland's claim territory would be gone, which kinda would make it difficult, to really claim international recognition. I don't know if that's the strategy of the federal government. I have no intel. I have no insight.

I'm just telling you from my own logical standpoint, like, how I see it. With the new establishment of the federal member state of Northeastern, state, I to kinda circle back to your question, there was a lot of tug and pull from both the Somaliland side and the Puntland side because Puntland is bordering this region. And, there have been reports that, leaders from both sides have kinda been trying to work together to undermine this establishment, you know, for for for their own person perhaps for their own sake or their own personal stakes, whatever it may be, you know, to to to prevent losing, influence in the region and power and stuff like that. So, very, very high stakes situation going on with with regards to, I believe, Puntilan and Somalia have both, put out press press releases regarding, this is, a violation of their, agreements and and and and and their and and it violates what what they believe they have authority for. So, yeah, it's it's kind of a little of a rough patch for them on their side, but I believe from the, sorry, the, Northeastern, state side of things.

Actually, today, this morning, I read that, according to the local media and the reports, they have actually sworn in their law and law and policymakers. So it's a very long list of of of policymakers. There are women involved as well too. I did see some women, so it's a diverse group of people. And it it yeah.

It it I I'd say it's a positive sign of the federal government hedging against neocolonial imperialists that are actively, I believe, personally, trying to partition the state for whatever reason that may be. So I will give my credit to, as unpopular as they are amongst some people, I will give my credit to them in terms of, trying to hedge any foreign entities from partitioning the state of Somalia for the for whatever reason it may be. So let's see here. Where did I leave off? Yes.

Okay. So now I just remembered other

things they they are I know you mentioned a little bit earlier when it came to there are other countries that are quite interested in this, in Somaliland.

Mhmm.

And, obviously, it has a lot to do with resources. I mean, no country no foreign countries are interested in any other country if they can't benefit. And with the resource that are, you know, we do have China. You mentioned China, Turkey, and, obviously, United States Of America. There was a a a, like, a, you know, a journalist asked Trump about Somaliland and about recognizing them as a sovereign state, and he said they're looking into it or something like that.

And Mhmm. Yeah. Can you speak to me I'm

glad you

mentioned that. That? I'm not I'm never ever comfortable Yes. The moment United States starts scratching in any sovereign state or non sovereign state for that matter because this would obviously affect Somalia with them being there as well as besides Somaliland, it will also affect Somalia. So, you know, I'm not very comfortable with United States.

Can you speak to me about that?

Yeah. Absolutely. So, yeah, so, essentially, I would say, I'll I was gonna include the the factions that are supporting the unity and then the factions that are kind of, pushing towards, Somaliland's cause, essentially. And it's mostly The United States. Like, let's be honest.

It's mostly them. I don't I don't have any evidence or anything to prove any anybody else is is involved in this, but I wanna say that at the moment, the factions that are, and it we could even say the OCGFC, like the MIC who is, trying to, support the secession of Somaliland. I'm sure you saw the, there was a letter a few days ago that, senator Ted Cruz put out, stating that he's in support of Somaliland, which is so funny because he doesn't even know the population of Iran. And now all of a sudden, he is focused on a a small country in the Horn Of Africa, and he's just thinks this is, like, the most great place in the world. It's just it's hilarious, to be quite honest.

But, anyways

And and it's just that that that that I mentioned a little bit earlier, the narrative is that Somaliland is well governed, peaceful. You know, they it's just the the best the best news for the world is that Somaliland should not be Somalia. And that comes from Ted Cruz. So that's why I'm also very

skeptical

about, you know, who looks good and who doesn't look that good.

Absolutely. Yeah. It's so funny, just just watching them, you know, talk about it's the greatest democracy in the world, and and it this is all narrative and spin. You know? Of course, nothing is perfect.

You know? Like, there is no democracy that is perfect. Somaliland's democracy is not perfect. You know what I mean? Some would argue that it's not even really a democracy, but that's a whole another conversation I don't wanna get into.

Ultimately, Somaliland is a very strategic location in the world that is definitely understood by many people in the world, specifically Berbera. Berbera is a was was actually used by NASA, for space, operations. It has a very long airstrip, right at the corner of a a very busy trade route. So this is of interest of a lot of powers. As you know, China has a military base in Djibouti, and China is actually supporting the Somalia side of things.

I believe their foreign minister actually threatened Somaliland diplomatically, of course, nothing aggressive, but he mentioned that because of Somaliland's engagement with Taiwan that they are treading very dangerous waters, understandably so. Now it it I think it is the Somalia, some the Chinese embassy, in some in Somalia or in China just released a rebuttal to Ted Cruz's, response regarding the, partitioning of Somalia and and and the meddling of their affairs. So China has a very big big stake in this because and I believe it was 2022, Somaliland and Taiwan, joined into a diplomatic relationship. And, of course, this is, getting in the in the midst of things with regards to China and their sovereignty and their territorial integrity. And, you know, as disclaimer, I'm not here to say Taiwan or China are part of the same country.

That's not my place to say. I'm just out here speaking about, you know, what's going on regarding my my part of the world. So please don't don't come after me saying don't you know, Taiwan and China. I'm just explaining the the situation here. But so China has been actively, supporting, Somalia in terms of, hedging against, The US, and their interference in partitioning Somalia.

The United States is, to kinda circle back to the Palestinian, comments regarding the report of the accident at the White House. So based on my research, the the media the general media has been really spinning that that conversation, and it's been blowing up all over social media. I believe the original context was about the countries that are potential landing spots for displaced Palestinians and where they could possibly go, which is terrible, of course. You know? They they should be in their land, and everybody is is the global consensus is that they should be there and occupation should end.

But, of course, these people want to displace these innocent people into a a a foreign land. So, the context regarding that question was not about Somaliland getting international recognition. It was about Somaliland's involvement in accepting Palestinian refugees, which act has been debunked by Somalilan themselves and Somalia. And I believe even South Sudan has rejected this. So multiple regions in the world have rejected this idea.

It it it's it's a old rumor. It's not something that I believe will ultimately come into fruition. Although we you know, it was we as Somali, we are not against accepting our brothers and sisters, of course, but we would much rather than be in their land living peacefully and happily, of course. So just wanted to clear that up regarding the the Palestinian and and and and Somaliland and and how The US is kind of getting involved in that. It has been rejected by, the Somali federal government.

It's been rejected by Somaliland from what I what I looked into. There has been no, like, official conversation. I believe, some were making rumors that their foreign minister mentioned that we'll do it if we get recognition. I think that's been debunked. I don't believe he said that.

So, it's kind of been a a broken telephone type of situation regarding, that whole ordeal with with the The US. I'll, to kinda touch into the the the the major powers at play here, The United States is mentioning that they are looking to create diplomatic relations with Somaliland, specifically the better port, for their own interest. They believe that it's a very strategic, important, route in the world, and they want to, quote, unquote, counter China's influence in that region of the world as well too. So, China has been on the side of the federal government, which I appreciate. I I believe they've been a genuine partner of the government and helped us defend our sovereignty and our territory integrity.

They I wouldn't be surprised if they've assisted to, like, the the government in in in setting up this, this regional state. I'm sure they've had, external, consultations. Turkey is a interesting player as well too because Turkey is actually trying Turkey is I I believe they are a genuine partner. They're a good partner. They're they're they've been helping Somalia for a very, very long time.

And they have major stakes in it too as well with the discovery of oil now in Somalia. So the and at the same time, they have, I believe, investments and stakes in Ethiopia. So they're kind of playing in the middle in terms of they we of course, we all know the Ankar, mediation that was scheduled between Somalia and and Ethiopia, where they were kind of the mediator of the two to try to get, some sort of understanding and and not cause chaos in the region. So, yeah, China, Turkey, Bhutti as well too has has been a small small player in in in this as well too. But, I think for the most part, the plan of what the government's doing have been working so far.

And, Inshallah, we'll see how it plays out. It's still early in the, the the formation and the process of this state. There are still a lot of things that have to, come into play. Like I mentioned earlier, they've just, sworn in the lawmakers and the policymakers. The federal government has promised technical assistance and resources to assist them to kind of develop a little bit quicker and and get the ball rolling for the development of their of their country or of the region.

Sorry.

Is there anything else that you would like to add, before we close off?

I would say, like, the airstrikes that are happening with Somalia. I I think it's, definitely important, to mention regarding the Horn Of Africa and and and the whole entire region. So, just to quickly dive in on it. So for context, if for any of those who remember, African Stream, which was a very, very popular media outlet a couple years ago, published a report right before Trump's inauguration regarding the airstrikes that were raining down in Somalia and the history, revolving around that. And this was something that I honestly didn't even know myself.

I I learned at that time and and and been keeping up with it. But for context, Somalia, in the in the context of war on terror and and everything like that, has been a victim of airstrikes for since, I believe, the George Bush era, if I'm not mistaken. There was there's the African stream reported that Bush and Obama's airstrikes, in both of their terms were less than Donald Trump's airstrikes in his one term in during 2016. So, hopefully, that puts things into context. Why am I saying this?

Because now that Trump is now in office, president Trump, he's picked up from where he's left off, essentially. So keep in mind, the president Donald Trump just got elected in January 2025. Between now and then, he is on pace to break his old record during his first term in terms of air strikes, which was, I believe, in the June, if I'm not mistaken. I'll double check, but I'm I'm pretty sure it was it was it was very high number for a four year term. According to reports now, I believe he's about around 50 airstrikes.

So this is very, very seriously troubling. Of course, as you know, AFRICOM is involved in this. For those of you who don't know, Africa Command is The US military command in Africa, and they they put out reports periodically about air strikes that were done in air quotes in collaboration with federal government. So the seriousness of this is because and this was Africa Stream reported, which was shut down, by the way, for those who don't know, unfortunately, that the there they will report the airstrikes, but the casualties involved are are are, like there's, like, barely any mention of them. Between 2016 and 2022, there has been a lot of casualties that have not gone reported.

There's there has been actual accounts of other reporters capturing statements from from people who are either affected by it or have witnessed them. And this is a serious, serious troubling development in Lahoren because the the justification for this is that they are trying to neutralize ISIS, which has now somehow made their way into the mountainous regions of Northern Somalia, which is, like which could be a whole other episode on its own, but we'll just for time's sake, we'll leave it at that. So, you know, I mean, how many it just the questions that come to mind is, like, how many airstrikes will it take to neutralize them? What's the root cause of them even coming to the like, these are strategies, in my opinion, that are not really addressing the root cause of the issue of how these terrorists have been able to hide in the mountains. And and I was even reading a report that, apparently, they have have been targeting, like, you know, close by civilian settlements in the because there's a lot of people who do live in the remote regions, believe it or not, in these regions.

So it's very, very distressing and and and and sad news. I believe the federal government of Somalia is really, really in a sticky situation because they're really balancing a tightrope in regards to, not openly rejecting American assistance or or defying The United States at the at the current moment, especially when the country is trying to develop and and and and and build its, its stability. So they're under immense, immense pressure to make sure that they, kind of pivot from this method of neutralizing terror within the region. I I would be interested to see how things go for for, you know, in the near future, if these strikes continue to increase, if the federal government will address this in terms of casualties involved, if there's any sort of justice that's going to be. I I don't know, but it is very troubling development that I've been tracking and keeping up with.

So it's it's something to keep an eye on. And, yeah, I I I just I just wanted to leave it at that regarding that that that part. So

for, you know, bringing us this information and providing your input and contribution to this episode. Much appreciated. Like I mentioned a little bit earlier in our discussion or talk with with you know, when you spoke to us about The United States, Russia, China, you know, getting involved in what is essentially petitioning Somalia. I am not comfortable with The United States Of America. And like you said, Trump has you know, he is he's increased his on the region.

I mean, it's it's this United States Of America, we're not shocked with each president anymore. They're not all the one isn't worse than the other. They're all equally as Mhmm. Non barbaric. I mean, that's why they're in that position in the first place, in my opinion.

So it is concerning that Somalia and Somaliland think that they could even approach The United States Of America in the first place, thinking that there will be some sort of help. I think it that is a mistake on its own. I do understand perhaps the you know, some sort of desperation, I would assume. But at the end of the day, it's not a good move to get The United States Of America involved in your country at all. Yeah.

And that's that's my two cents on

I agree. I agree.

Yeah. So thank you so much for your time. Thank you to the listeners who made it all the way through. This is very important conversations that we are having. These are not, you know, sensationalism.

We want to bring what is really happening in in the region. We want to speak about that cause it does affect Africa as a continent as well as the rest of the world. So and we will see you again in the future brother areas. Inshallam, perhaps next week in sorry, next month. We will be able to speak about

In Shalom.

Other countries in the East East the the the the the Eastern Region of Africa, East Africa, even if it is Somalia, whatever country it is in there. So thank you so much for your time.

Anytime. And no problem. And, yeah, Until next time. Take care.