Coffee Conversations | Strategic Use of Stupidity (better sound quality this time!)

Right. Yeah. That Strategy. I think that that's a strategy. I I really do.

I mean, it's entirely possible. Of course, it's entirely possible that the Incompetent. Yeah. That the staff at the Israeli embassy is completely incompetent because as we've talked about Yeah. And they they have not shown that their capabilities with PR are what they used to be.

And I think that that I think that I don't want to get sidetracked with this, but I think that that's partly because they didn't they used to be really good at it because they didn't have to be that good, because the whole narrative was controlled anyway on the part of, I mean they had complete cooperation to push their narrative, so we don't actually know how good they might have been, you know. It's like, it's like, like a like a an athlete who has only competed in fixed games, in fixed matches. They look really good, but when they actually play a real match that's not fixed, then you see if they're really any good. And what we're seeing so far is that the Israelis are incredibly bad at PR, like incredibly bad, just breathtakingly bad at PR. But I think it's entirely possible that it is a strategy because there's there's almost it's a brilliant way to completely shut somebody down when you say something that is so stupid

Oh, like

that is just so like it's stupid on so many levels that a person can have like a brain dysfunction, a brain malfunction trying to even begin. Where do I begin? How can I possibly even start addressing the idiocy that you just said? And most people, especially because online, most people don't feel, how am going say it, online people always want to respond. People, I don't know, I don't know if they feel like it's a a defeat or you're giving up or something like that, if you just just don't don't just don't respond.

It's like there's a whole sort of a culture or a momentum of of interactions online that you're just supposed to always reply. And then of course, there's also the thing of Muslims specifically who think that we want to always make dua, we want to always spread understanding and whatever. So sometimes if someone says something that's mind bogglingly stupid, there will be good hearted Muslims who are like, oh, you know, miskin, they have a really deep misunderstanding, let me try to address that. But where do you begin? When you say something so stupid that that like to try to untangle all of the strands of incoherence of what of what this argument is, so called argument is, would take days.

It would take days to try just to untangle it and then to know where to begin, which strand of idiocy do I start with to correct you about. I have explain so much just to explain to you what is wrong with the question That that like it would be it would be a whole course before I could even answer the question.

So they impose on you a kind of a mental paralysis?

Yeah.

By way of misinformation?

Yeah. Yeah. By way of stupidity, by way a deliberately stupid question, they can actually paralyze you. If you're someone who is sincerely interested in spreading understanding and answering questions, they'll drop a bomb of stupidity that then it's a, you know

Yeah, you don't get anywhere.

Yeah, it paralyzes your brain because where do I even start, you know?

Or you get an overreaction, you know, as a response

to Exactly. Yeah, or or or you just or it's just provocative. Yeah, or it's just provocative. Exactly. Yeah, so it's a win win.

Yeah.

It's a win win. You completely derail any discourse, you derail any discussion, and you you waste time of countless people, or you just make people mad. And you make the people mad who you want to be mad. So it's a it's a win. Objectives.

But Singapore, in that case Singapore wasn't having it.

Yeah, zero

tolerance. Yeah, zero tolerance.

Totally dictatorial about this.

Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, we had some other instances of something like that, but I can't remember off the top I of my head.

Mean, that's the thing is that there's people who are just like trolls. It's interesting how trolling has become an actual, like a strategy of propaganda warfare. Mhmm. That like like that the Israelis are paying social media people, they're paying people to troll. You know, that's how valuable trolling is.

And it's only and it's only valuable because people, you know, it's like it's like that line in that movie, the the dragon tattoo, the girl with the dragon tattoo, the line in the movie about that that people would rather not be rather not offend someone than protect themselves. They're so afraid of more afraid of offending someone than they are of for their own safety that people engage. The only reason that trolls work is because people engage with them. If you just don't engage at all and you recognize immediately that this is a troll, and you know, and the thing is, okay, maybe you'll you'll make a mistake, maybe it's someone who's genuinely ignorant and genuinely wants to know, okay, but on the side of caution. You you because if you're asking something incredibly stupid as a as a tactic, that's one thing, but if you're asking something incredibly stupid because you're just that uninformed and uneducated about a subject, well do some work, it's not my job.

Yeah. It's not my job. Search engines exist, internet exists, you know, for for someone who who who is as lazy intellectually as you, AI exists, you can you can have it easily explained to you. You know, don't waste my time or anyone else's time with that.

We need to have an adequate understanding, you know? Of,

you know. And don't feel bad about, I'm sorry, but don't feel bad about trying to keep a conversation and a discussion on track, you know. Because if people if people are going to derail it, whether they have a malicious intention or not, you don't get to derail a useful constructive conversation. I'm sorry if you are entering the conversation at the wrong time, that you're not ready for this conversation, this the topics that are being discussed, you're not you're not in in informed or educated enough to engage at this level of conversation, then it's your responsibility to leave the conversation. Yes.

And educate yourself and maybe you can get to that level. But, Also you know

stick around, be silent, if that's something.

Yeah. Yeah, stick around hopefully, hopefully. But I mean, it's just like this is this is the whole problem with with like education. That that if there's if there's one kid who's disruptive, it ruins it for the whole class. Or there's one kid who's slow, slower than the others in the class, then then everybody has to go at his pace?

It doesn't then then why? You have to remove that one and put him in a special, you know. So it's the same thing in discussion or discourse or what have you. You have to be at a certain level to participate and if you're not, then don't participate.

It's not personal.

It's not personal.

Yeah.

No, no, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Unless you're a troll, you know. But also, I mean, it's another version of that which I think is not a malicious troll, but it's just part of the whole sort of, I don't know, lack of seriousness that people have online where where, like, genuinely intellectual discourse is sandwiched between, you know, frivolous stuff on the internet, on on on as you're scrolling or whatever, you'll see you'll see, you know, like a brilliant passage that's been accepted from a book, and then the the next thing is, you know, you know, somebody somebody falling in a in a football match and and acting funny or you know what I mean? It's just like silly.

It's all it's by by in its own way the whole scrolling phenomenon is is mentally disconcerting. The whole phenomenon is is already kind of disorienting to your to your brain. And so, people themselves don't know necessarily how to even weigh what's serious and what isn't, and how and and the different way that you're supposed to approach something that's serious as opposed to the way you approach something that isn't. So they approach them the same way. And and so, you I'll get in the discussion group or in the comment section or whatever, questions that it's just like what we were talking about just now, that's like a question that's deliberately stupid, but it's not I don't think it's deliberate, and I'm and I'm not even going to say it's stupid, but what it shows is that you're not someone who has followed this issue, you're not someone who is educated about this topic at all, but you're not just ignorant about it.

In the place of your ignorance and lack of information you have presumptions. You have filled that empty space where education and information is supposed to be, you filled that with assumptions and presumptions and opinions that you never should have let form because you're not educated. You never should have let yourself form an opinion about this thing or that thing, the and let yourself make presumptions when you have no information, but you have now filled all the space that that actual information education is supposed to be, you filled it with presumptions and opinions. And so now if I'm going to even try to answer you, I have to now extract all of those presumptions and opinions and that's a long process to explain to you, and I don't have that time, and that's not my job, you know. And the fact that you because the other thing is that if you have actually felt entitled and didn't feel irresponsible to fill empty space where education and information is supposed to be, you've felt comfortable and free to fill that with opinion and presumptions, then that means reality and truth don't actually matter that much to you in the first place.

So you've already come to me as someone who has demonstrated to me that you don't actually care about what's true and what's factual. So then why should I waste my time explaining to you when you have already showed me that you don't care? It's like someone coming into a shop with no money in their pocket, pretending they're going to buy something, you know. And then you engage the shop seller and bargain and negotiate a price, and then at the end of that you just leave because, well actually I don't have any money anyway, I never really intended to buy anything. I never intended to actually, in this case, learn anything.

Because actually knowledge and information and facts and reality don't actually matter that much to me. I'm just passing my time actually. Okay, I'm not just passing my time, that's not what I'm doing. So, your time may not be important to you, and since your time isn't important to you, my time isn't important to you. But my time is important to me, you know?

So I'm not going to engage with this kind of thing. And if you're a genuine person who genuinely does want to know something Welcome. Everybody in the group, everybody who is serious, who is participating in the discussion has educated themselves. So it's not something that's secret knowledge that you can't find, you can find it. I mean the other thing that I'll get accused of is that I don't let anyone, I don't tolerate anyone who disagrees with me.

And that I would just say that it's uneducated or stupid or what have you. And it's like, no, I'm there are people who disagree with me and I will engage with them because at the end of the day we're only interested in what's right, what's actually true, what's actually factual. And I don't take any of this personally. Like what I say about the the The Gulf States, what I say about Europe and the Ukraine war and whatever, I don't take it personally at all. This is just the way I see it.

I have I'm not invested in whether or not, you know, people believe me. This is the way I see it. This is the way I see what's happening. And if you believe it or don't believe it, it means nothing to me. It's irrelevant to me, you know.

And if I get proven wrong about it, that also I don't take that personally. I just, I want to try to be accurate about whatever it is that I'm saying. I don't get anything out of it, I don't, you know, the only thing that matters to me personally for my satisfaction is being accurate. That's why I love to say I told you so. And I do it a lot because I can, precisely because the things that I express aren't based on any personal feeling.

It's just based on trying as much as possible to be objective and accurate in what I'm in my evaluation. And I have been quite have a good track record with that. If someone disagrees and they have valid points, I will consider that.

And you have demonstrated that.

And I try to understand it, you know. But so if I'm telling you that what you're saying is completely uneducated, and that's because that's what I think it is. And you haven't demonstrated Otherwise. Otherwise. It's not You're not getting banned from the discussion group because you said something that was so smart that I couldn't refute.

No, you said something that was too stupid to even entertain. You said something that revealed you don't belong here, you know. This isn't, this isn't the classroom where we eat paste, you know, and put crayons up our nose, that's that's down the hall. This is the classroom where we do work, where we actually learn things. You people are making me talk about the Arab rulers.

You're putting me in a position where I have to continuously refute your lies.

Uh-huh.

And that makes makes it look like I'm defending them. But you're lying, so all I'm doing is refuting lies that you're telling. It has nothing to do with defending someone, it has to do with you're lying. And the lies that you're telling are Zionist lies and they're lies to benefit the Americans and the colonizers, and you're trying to start discord. You're trying to create problems.

And you're also, either you're deliberately doing that or you're too stupid, I'm sorry, to understand the danger that you're causing. The problems that you're that you're causing by by doing this. And like I said, we're like I said in the in the in the last video, Jordan is in danger right now. Jordan is in danger because because it's already it's I mean, like if Iraq could be ruined, Iraq was a rich country. Under Saddam Iraq was a rich country, it was a rich stable powerful country.

Very advanced, very developed. Jordan has nothing. Jordan is empty. Jordan doesn't have oil. Jordan is a completely dependent country.

They have nothing. They would be so easy to ruin. They don't have the facilities. And if anyone is going to help to defend Jordan, if anyone is going to help to put down a civil war or something like that, it's going to be outsiders. It's going to be external forces, either the West or the or The Gulf.

You know, because they don't even have that close of a relationship like with Russia or China. They've been basically a protectorate of America for all these years. The Gulf has been, and Qatar has been, I mean, when I say The Gulf, that includes Qatar. They've been increasing their aid and whatnot and their relationship with Jordan. But it would be so easy for it to fall apart and you people are trying to start that now.

Tell just just do me a favor. Okay? Let's just let's everybody put their cards on the table. Actually give me a list of objective, factual things about MBS. Just let's just go with MBS for now, because he seems to be the one that you all hate the most.

Because in my opinion that's that's coincidentally coinciding with his turning away from America. Yes. The moment they started acting with some level of, as they say, strategic autonomy, I have never seen such a flood of hatred against the rulers. And you're pretending that it's righteousness on your part. But okay, just give me a list of factual, objective things that MBS has done or is doing, actually, that that make you so mad, that make you think he's a traitor, that make you think that he's just terrible and that he's a hypocrite, and most and more importantly that make you think actually that today in 2024 he's a puppet of America.

Show me. Give me your proof. What what exactly exact factually, what is he doing that makes you think he's a puppet of America?

Having Don't

just tell me he's a traitor. Yeah. He's a hypocrite. He's a Zionist. He's a puppet of The US.

No no no, give me the actual things that that you have made you think that. The factual things that he's done that you've made an objective analysis and an assessment in your, you know, in your quiet deliberation and judiciousness, in your wisdom, you've looked at all of this information and you've

said, All

of this altogether adds up to him being a traitor and a Zionist and a western puppet, because I've looked at all the facts. Because of course you would have done that. Obviously you did that before you before you make a slander, obviously you're a responsible person. Yeah. It wouldn't just be that you watched Sammy Hamdi screaming at the top of his lungs about this and that and the other, and that convinced you because you're just ready to be convinced Uh-huh.

Because you're actually just a descendant of Abdullah bin Salah. You're like just like the companions of Abdullah bin Salah who rose up against Uthman, who you yourself are not even Islamic actually in your real life, but nobody is Islamic enough for you. And you wanna bring everybody down because you think that's the Islamic thing to do, to bring everybody down. Because they're puppets of the West, not you. Oh, that makes me so mad.

Just give me the facts, really, I I want to know. Because I'll address every one of them. I promise. If you give me a list, promise you I will address every single one. But make sure it's true, that means you're going to have to actually do some research, which you've never done before in your life.

So this is a new exercise, will be a new experience for you. Do some actual research, meaning don't, now it means you don't just have to come up with things that are objectionable that Saudi Arabia is doing, which also means by the way the actual government of Saudi Arabia, not something that happened inside of Saudi Arabia by somebody or by some company or by some private individual. It means the actual government of Saudi Arabia, what have they done actually, factually that you object to and make sure that it is factual. Meaning, once you have once you have done just enough research to find out, which I know just means you're going watch a Semi Hamdi video, now after you've made your list, after watching Semi Hamdi, now you have to yourself research each one of those claims that he made to find out if it's true. And then after you've done that, you don't even need to talk to me.

Cause you'll already know he's a liar, if you do the research. Yeah. But if you still haven't done it, go ahead and send it to me and I'll respond. And if there's anything true in there that deserves criticism, I'll criticize it better than anybody else.