Middle Nation Content Talks: Western Misconceptions About The West -- Session 2

Assalamu alaikum, everyone. So this time, I do not think I, inshallah, have to play the video again because we played it last time, and this is the second part of our discussion. So I'll just, inshallah, continue where we left off. I'll just give a short summary of what we are trying to tackle. Okay?

So, again, the West and Western civilization. Right? When we speak about the West, it's not just sort of geographical location. It is, like, located mostly America and Europe, but you have to understand this is, a psychological state. Right?

It's not just geographical. Okay? West is western in mentality, Western in approach, worldview. Okay? It's not just geography.

So keep this in mind when, you know, the West is gonna be thrown a lot, this word. So just to understand what it's about. Right? So the West, quote, unquote, you know, it projects itself onto the world as this sort of democracy of the you know, this epitome of free speech, right, of human rights, of equality. And then it portrays those ideals as universal truth.

Right? It says that there is no other way, basically, how you can view these things. Math way is the best way, and anyone who goes against is just basically wrong. K? And we can just summarize this as Western supremacy.

K? But when we try to somehow critically examine this perception, the real the reality is that it's all based on misconceptions. They have misconceptions about their own identity, about their own values, about their morality. And this misconception is even about the values that they portray. Right?

Because they tell you that we have all of these values, but when times get tough, they just throw them under the bus. Yeah. They abandon their beliefs. They abandon these all of these values that they proclaim. You know, there is no standard in this civilization.

Yeah. It is incoherent. So how can a civilization basically exist when they cannot even, between each other, decide what is right, what is wrong, what is evil, what is good, what is moral, what is immoral, what is righteous, and what is evil? And this is basically the civilizational failure that we are trying to address and trying to uncover. Okay?

That it's a civilization that is based on misconceptions. And brother Shahid in the video last time, you know, described it pretty amazingly. It's not a civilization. It's a hallucination. So they have misconception about all of these values.

They have misconceptions about morality, misconceptions about women, misconceptions about equality, misconceptions about democracy, about violence, about extremism, about free speech, about race, about liberalism, about like, really every single thing that they proclaim, they have some misconceptions about it. Okay? So last time, we tried to uncover all of these misconceptions related to how they view women, how they portray women in a society, what is their role, how they, you know, how they view equality between genders, all of these things. I think we covered it really much in detail last time. So inshallah, this time we will go on to part two, which will be related to the Western misconceptions about violence and extremism.

Okay? And this is a very important topic, and especially it's very closely related to the last video that our brother uploaded where he goes into this, you know, trying to sort of put some, like, equivalence between their violence and our violence. Right? This is suddenly the part where they're not exceptional. And, you know, usually, they portray themselves as exceptional in everything, but once you start talking about their history, about the crimes that they commit, then suddenly everybody does it.

Right? You know, we are all the same. We did crimes. You did crimes. We bumped people.

You bumped people. It's basically you know, we're just a country trying to stick to its, you know, influence. Right? We are trying to have some say in the geopolitical sphere just as any other country. But this is really not reality.

There is really no equivalence whatsoever. Okay? And we will inshallah inshallah try to uncover all of these aspects of violence that the West keeps on hiding sort of. Okay? And I would like to start, you know, that, again, the West basically frequently labels other nations and especially our Muslim societies as being violent, right, as being extremist.

Well, they are the ones who are peaceful. They are the peaceful civilization. They are the ones that are trying to bring the prosperity to the world. They are the ones trying to bring democracy and all of these things. Yeah.

But in reality, historically, and what we can currently see, the West is basically the biggest and the greatest exporter of violence. It is the one who has been mostly engaging in wars, in military interventions, in bombings, bombings literally in every part of the world since World War two. And even before that, they have killed millions of millions of people and predominantly, of course, in the global South. The other thing is that this is not just foreign policy, the mass shootings and the proliferation of gun violence in their own societies, in their own nations. It just serves to, you know, showcase this contradiction between their self perception and the actions that are actually happening.

So I would like to ask my speakers, you know, this narrative of the Western society or civilization being this peaceful and orderly society, how does this narrative collapse when we try to view it in the light of its historical and ongoing violence across the globe? Like, how can, you know, the West, which tries to pride itself on these values on these empty values, I should say, of freedom, of human rights, how can it reconcile these values with the violent interventions and interactions, its colonial legacies, the military dominance, while it tries to label other countries as being violent, as being extremist?

So I think we would start that whenever they they say peaceful or whenever they refer to themselves as peaceful, they usually refer to themselves as peaceful among each other. So they don't refer to themselves as peaceful. So they they they initially thought that the whole world revolves around them, around their own being, and their own existence. And so when you ask them, you know, is you know, are you are you guys peaceful? Are you guys are not are you guys worrying?

And so they would answer, no, we're not warring. We're very peaceful. Okay? Because the last time we had a major war was that, like, World War two or something. So that's the that's how exclusive they think they are from the rest of the planet.

That they think that if they're if they're not worrying with each other, then they are by definition peaceful. Because when they treat other societies, it's it's irrelevant. These societies are irrelevant. If we war with these societies, if we are made peace with these societies, they're not even worth elevating for our own run, if you say. So that's how it collapses immediately because they're very centered on their take on peace and war and on who they make peace and war with.

So that's the first thing. The second thing is that they were never really at peace even with each other because they've been worrying with each other for for for ages. Ever since they knew, you know, technology and and the Renaissance and and and all of that four hundred years ago, they've been constantly in war with each other, trying to dominate each other, trying to build empires and kingdoms in Europe. And then, gradually, they started to find out that we can't just keep fighting it ourselves for forever. We have to export our violence to the whole world because the whole world is ours for the taking.

So that's why it's it's it's contradictory. It's self contradictory to say that they were always peaceful by nature. They were never they were never peaceful by nature. They just exported their peace, their violence, and they shifted direction to the whole world instead of internally, and that's what happened. So that's why it collapses immediately upon thorough investigation in their own history, not the history of the world.

You know, the world has always been warring at times of war and other times there was there was peace. Their own history is so much more full of war than any other history. So that's why the narrative immediately collapses upon historical inspection.

This is such a good point. Like exactly. Right? It's as if, you know, yeah, like, as if they don't hate each other. Right?

You know, we are the ones who are terrible. Right? Even though they I mean, like, since the Roman Empire and even before that, they have been just, you know, murdering each other whenever they got the chance. Right? SubhanAllah.

Very beautiful points. Sister Iman and then brother.

Yeah. I just wanted to add on to what brother Omar said because like you said, amazing points. I wanna add on to both the points. So the first point you were talking about, they don't see the violence that they commit against people, especially from the global South, as violence. And so that basically collapses the entire argument, and that's something that we we've spoken about at length multiple times.

They justify absolutely every single action they commit against anyone by using different justifications for each. So you have white supremacy against people who are not white. You have saying, like, Latino people always do drugs. They always talk about Eastern Europeans as people who are not worth they're not worth anything. They they they are just certain people who like to do drugs and have gangs and mafias, all this kind of stuff.

They even refer to Irish people as not white. They refer to some white people as white trash. They refer to every single group of people that they villainize in a different way to be able to justify their actions. And so, yeah, I completely agree with what I just wanted to add that point. But then on to the second point, it's really, really important that you said that because even in the Quran, Allah said in the Quran in in the ending part of a 14 of says, and so you think that, dear friends, you think that they are together, that they're working together, that they're united, which is the word that they always use united, when in reality, their hearts are divided.

In reality, they want to fight each other as well. So, essentially, they fight everyone. They have violence against everyone, but within even their own circle, they cannot even be at peace with their own people. So I think what brother Amr said is actually really really important, and I do wanna thank you for saying that.

Okay, brother. Thank you, sister Imam. Thank you. Brother Amr, just continue inshaAllah.

Yeah. I mean, for me, what what the best analogy that I see when it comes to western behavior and jingoism that has happened throughout decades and maybe even centuries, I always look at the analogy of the American cop or the American police officer. You know? Let's say the American police officer stops someone on the road, he could be speeding, he could not be speeding. They would ask some questions, and if the person is naive enough, they would answer.

And then that cop would try to intentionally provoke the the driver so that the driver either reacts more assertively with varying degrees. So it can start from being the body language can change to maybe the maybe the volume of his voice can go a little bit louder to even trying to legitimately defend himself from the top trying to attack him. And after all this, the cop would attack him and say stop resisting, stop resisting, stop resisting. This is basically a summary of western hegemony and particularly American hegemony. It's basically this part.

It's basically this analogy where they always want to put you in a position where you end up being ticked or provoked or or having to be put in a position where you have to defend yourself in some way or another. They basically create the landscape and as I said before, the landscape and the conditions that gives them a strategic outcome that's in their favor. Just like what an American cop, if he wants to arrest someone does. He provokes, then if he once he succeeds, he escalates, and then once he succeeds, he escalates again until he manages to arrest that person. So that being said, what's the best thing you can do?

Normally, you what from the experience, from what I've seen from other videos of the American cops talking with drivers and these drivers responding and the cops leave is usually, you just don't answer the questions. Don't entertain it, you know. Shut them out of the room, you know. Pretend that they're not there, you know. And that's how things from what from our assessment seems to be going through that direction through bricks, where we are trying to live without needing The United States, live without needing the West. It's

gonna take time. It's gonna take, of course, some blowback, but it will definitely limit the the lever that that they have on the planet. So that's from my side.

Thank you, brother. Yeah. It's a great analogy. Mean, subhanAllah. And, you know, you cannot just see on it the violence or, like, the violent aspect, but also the extremist aspect.

Right? Like, you have cops everywhere. Right? Every country has, you know, police officers. They stop you for, you know, speed limit.

But look how extremist they are in their approach to their, you know, fellow citizens. Right? It's not just about being violent, but how extreme they can take it. Right? Like, you know, as if they are their enemies.

And it's really subhanAllah, you know, like, even in their own societies, it's not just even between countries, but even between the people who are neighbors. Right? They're extreme towards each other.

Yeah. Sound like can can you hear me? I mean, when we talk about this mentality they have, I mean, I I reluctantly admit that I sometimes follow American influences. And, like, recently, there was an incident of a famous Twitch streamer from, I think, Texas, Austin, the city of Texas, who made some very unfortunate remarks about Palestinians and, you know, Arabs saying that, you know, it's not a big deal if the Israelis are committing genocide in Palestine because given the opportunity, the Palestinians would do the same to to the Jews, you know, to the Zionists, and they come from an from an inferior culture to, obviously, the superior western culture. So essentially, you know, in so many words, he said that their lives are worth less than, you know, the the lives of western colonizers who who are Israeli Zionists in in Palestine.

And, you know, that kind of rhetoric is commonplace in in America. You can find that in New York Times, in the most eminent academic circles. You you can find that in, like, mainstream, you know, influencers rhetoric and, obviously, going going to the old continent to Europe. I mean, maybe you guys don't follow it very closely, anti black, anti Muslim, anti immigrant rhetoric is just, know, commonplace. And they have this view that their culture is superior to not just, you know, new Muslim culture, but essentially, like, white European or non white, like, no Western European culture.

So we are witnessing a genocide taking place. Like, of people are being butchered, innocent men, women, and children. And at the same time, these western supremacists are saying, well, you know, we are doing that because you would have done the same thing to us and our culture is superior. But, I mean, they they keep forgetting that, you know, the Ottomans ruled Palestine for centuries. And before that, we had, you know, various other Muslim rules.

There was no genocide of the Jews. There was no genocide of the Christians. I mean, you know, those communities coexisted on that piece of land. And it was only when the Crusaders took over that we would see, you know, a bloodbaths or or, obviously, today when, you know, the design is controlling. So they spew this rhetoric, which is not factual, and they use, like, fringe extremist Muslim groups who are not who do not represent us.

I mean, we we don't pay our tax money to fund those groups like like they do. We were not represented by them at all. So they use these extreme cases to to kind of say, you know, there's violence on both sides, but we are superior because we are, you know, we have liberal values and whatnot. And what really struck me is funny a little bit. That's, I I guess, another another point of confusion that they had.

The same influencer tool was bewildered that, you know, many cities or rather streets and many names of places in Texas have Spanish names. I mean, imagine the imagine the ignorance of that guy and of the culture that produces such speakers and such such rhetoric. They are completely ignorant of what is going on in the world, of what other people think of them, and how how much they they hated really across the world, and they're still they're still stuck in that old colonial mindset that we are better than them. Therefore, you know, superior human beings should should not feel bad about exterminating inferior human beings. And we know we know, you know, some of the recent examples from history, how that how that went.

So, yeah, I I just wanted to to mention that example. It is basically to basically portray how commonplace that is, how psychotic they've become, you know, their their entire culture, and what is considered normal in today's, you know, western even academic circles is, like, completely deranged and goes against human nature. So we we we shouldn't mince words when we speak about their violence and their culture. They're completely deranged. They are out of touch with reality, and they definitely need a reality check.

So yeah.

Exactly. Like and this is the point that brother usually mentions. Right? Like, their misconception about assigning value. Right?

That, you know, they assign value based on, like, who can beat the other one. Right? And by that, I'm basically superior. Like, if I can, you know, get you on your knees, I have to, you know, I have the right to do that, and you deserve it, basically. Right?

That's, you know, their approach. You know, subhanAllah, and as you mentioned, like, with the Ottoman Empire and different empires in the history of Muslim world, you know, you you have to understand guys that the Muslim was a minority even at the beginnings. Right? You know, the like, it's really crazy, right, when one sees the historical record of how societies live together, what was the approach to various ethnicities, to different religions, to different like, you know, subhanAllah, there is no civilization in the world who was more tolerant than the Muslim civilization. Yeah.

And, yeah, I would then try to navigate back to the what's the, you know, American experience of violence and extremism and how it started. But just before that, I see that our brothers here have their hands raised. So maybe MG first and then brother Omar, if you wanna add some points.

Yeah. Yeah. I'd like to add some points. So yeah. I mean, it's very evident and a lot of what the western centric narrative is used to paint us as extremist or as violent or as savage.

A lot of it is also pure projecting because, I mean, if we look at history, our own ex like, those that were amongst us that were extremists, they were immediately removed from any position of power and authority. For example, like, if you I I can't imagine if you have someone like Ben Gavir or Smotrich being interior ministers or finance ministers of of an Arab or Muslim country. I mean, we for the past ten years, we've been actually suppressing our we've been actually keeping our own extremists at bay to the extent that we to the to the extent that we are the ones losing our life more than them because of them. So while on the other hand, they're they're empowering and they are enabling their own extremists like Ben Gavir, like Smotrich, like Netanyahu, like also other far right figures with whether that's in Europe or The United States or or even some parts of unfortunately, parts of of Latin America that might be aligned more with the West. So this is a problem that they have.

It's not a problem that we have.

Yeah. Exactly. Like, I love this point. Right? You know?

It's as if we suddenly, the KKK was basically the way America approaches. Like, even that is more real or more realistic than comparing, you know, extremist groups in our parts of the world with our governments or our, you know, ruling and so on. Right? Like, take any extremist group in The US and, you know, they do not have little of them. Right?

If we can say it in that manner. And just say that this is The US approach to the world. Right? And there even you can be more close to reality than when you are with us. Right?

So yeah. Brother Amar, please.

Yeah. I just wanted to tie in this point with the fact that we have to be clear about we never hear in the West the term state terrorism, which is essentially what these guys are doing. Right? So they always mention terrorist groups, terrorist attacks, terrorist this and that. But we don't hear ever about they they haven't put it in their lexicon that states also can be terrorists as well.

Right? That terrorism can be at a state level, it can be official and it can be that systematic. And so, for example, France in Algiers, and I'm sure sister Eman knows all well about all too well about this. So when France was liberated from the German occupation after World War two, okay, the Algerians, because they were, you know, they they had this dream of thinking that the French after having suffered occupation like they themselves have been suffering occupation for decades, if not if not centuries, they thought that, okay, now the French government will give us our freedom like they have attained their freedom. And instead, the French government just bombed them and killed them on mass, massacres upon massacres to add to the already existing massacres that they had done to them in the past during the occupation.

So this is just to give you an idea about how how double speak works for those people. Like, they literally have the audacity to say that we were occupied by Germany and so we deserve our freedom, but you guys do not deserve your freedom even though we occupy it. It's it's it's breathtaking to hear them say that. You you can't you can't hear that and and and sit still. Brother Kramer, you wanted to say something.

Sorry.

No. I just wanted to say exactly, like, it's breathtaking. Right? This delusion that they are in. Right?

Like, look you know, again, let's just take it back, you know, couple of years. Right? You mentioned Algeria and so on. That was, again, a consequence of sorry if you can just mute your mic, please.

Sorry. Yeah. Sorry.

No. No. No worries. No worries. Thank you because it's in my speaker.

So, yeah, thank you very much. Yeah. Like like, let just take it back. Right? You know, this country, okay, you know, this again, it's basically, let's start with the enlightenment phase.

Right? You know, our brother once put it in a video. Right? Their enlightenment basically means that they went set out on a mission to extinguish the light everywhere else. Right?

And part of this enlightenment or, you know, couple of decades before it, they went to the great land of the free. Right? And what did they do? Right? So, you know, basically, this whole American society is a society built on genocide.

Right? You know, this is something that we cannot forget about. Right? They tried to shut down this conversation. They tried to, you know, turn the other way from it.

But

Yeah. Like, that it was in the past, and that's something something in the past. We shouldn't talk about it. Right? We let bygones be bygones.

Yeah. Exactly. But, you know, if you build a house on, you know, paper foundations, it's gonna crumble. Right? And you built your society on a genocide.

Like, how do you wanna turn away from this when basically your start is just built on the blood of innocent people? Right? Like, it's subhanAllah. It's crazy. Right?

Yeah.

I mean,

I don't know if anybody wants

Well, mean, not to mention the fact that that if you're going to talk about, okay, let's let bygones be bygones. Well, we might be willing to do that, but it's not gone though. It hasn't gone by. The bygone that you want us to call bygone hasn't gone by. It's happening right now.

Where's the change? This is what I'm asking. You know, they we always hear these atheists and Western, you know, the these Western civilizational, so called civilizational supremacists and so on, talking about the great enlightenment values and how religion, for example, is the is the source of so many wars and strife and so on. Can I introduce you to the history of Europe since the enlightenment? Are you familiar with the nineteenth century?

Are you familiar with the twentieth century? Are you familiar with the fact that there's been over 200 military interventions just by The United States alone in the last two hundred years? That's that's an a military intervention for every single year over the last two hundred years. And and and look at what you're doing right now. So tell me, where's the change?

Where I would we would maybe we would consider the option of letting bygones be bygones if it had gone by, but it's present right now. You're doing it right now. Just look around the world right now at what your countries are doing, at what America is doing, at what Europe is doing, at what the so called western civilization is doing in the global South, in Gaza right now, in The Middle East, in Congo, in Africa, throughout Africa, throughout Latin America right now. You're overthrowing governments right now. Where's the change?

You know? Where what where where was this so called enlightenment? You know? When when is the past going to just be the past? We're like I like I I I'm not sure if I said it in the video or not, but I've mentioned it more than one time.

When you have those you have those, those horrific postcards that they used to have, back in the, segregation days, post civil war days in Saudi. I post civil war makes it sound like it's much farther back in history than it really was. We're talking about the nineteen forties, nineteen fifties. Nineteen thirties, forties, fifties, when when they were taking pictures and postcards of of of families having picnics with African Americans hanging from trees. It was a lynching picnic party that they were having, and they were all celebrating it and having fun, and and passing it around.

And they were and they were sending African American children out to bait alligators. That, you know, now look at your news right now. Now look at just turn on your news right now, and tell me how it's how are you any different than your great grandparents, your grandparents, your great grandparents, your ancestors? Where is the evolution that you keep telling us about? Where is the enlightenment that you keep telling us about?

Because from what from from where we're sitting, you're doing exactly the same thing, you're acting the exact same way, you believe the exact same way, you have the exact same attitude, you have the exact same philosophy of the barbarians of your history. You haven't changed one bit. So like I said, maybe we could consider we could take it into consideration to let bygones be bygones. Just let us know at what point it's going to have gone by because it's happening right now.

Exactly. Like and, you know, this argument. Right? You know, we got rid of religion and now, Okay. So with religion, you know, you had crusades.

You massacred countries. You ate each other. Right? Great job. Okay.

So you got rid of religion, and what did you do? You massacred even more. Right? You used, you know, all kinds of new technologies to

massacre each other.

Right? And that collates world war.

Exactly. And and

and that Subhanallah.

Subhanallah, that's their argument. When you tell them, well, look at the body count of the twentieth century. They'll say, well, that's the technology. Okay. So you admit you've not changed.

Your enlightenment didn't make you more moral. Yeah. Their their their reasoning is if people if if we, the West, if we had had the same technology, 400 ago, then the body count would have been just as high as the body count of the twentieth century. Okay. You just told me that you never changed.

Yeah. Masha'allah. Brother MG and then sister.

Yeah. Exactly. I mean, they haven't changed they haven't changed one bit. And whenever sometimes when you even bring back this topic, it's like it's always they always say, but, yeah, yeah, we we we nuke Japan. Yeah.

But, you know, we had to end the war and might makes right. I mean, it's always it's always the might makes right. You know? Might makes right all the time until we are on the receiving end. Then it's a different then it's a different equation.

Yes. It's 39. Exactly. Like, exactly different equations. Suddenly, right, different different standards, different, you know, judging.

Yeah. That's that's as we go.

The the rules only apply when we are at the disadvantage. When you when you have the upper hand, then we'll have recourse to the rules. But when we have the upper hand, it's shock and awe.

Absolutely. And what brother Karim was talking about earlier saying that the foundation of The United States is quite literally death and declared to the native Americans, which is completely true. And then the kidnapping and enslavement of millions upon millions of people from Africa. Completely true. And the thing is, they always say, well, that's in the past.

That's the past. That's in the past. When it came to World War two, everyone was like, yeah. Never again. Never again.

Never again. They said never again, they did not mean never again we will kill anyone. Never again will we colonize anyone. Never again will we genocide anyone. What they meant is never again Germany will kill any Jewish people in a holocaust in this exact same fashion.

That's what they meant. They were like they didn't actually mean it as well. They were just saying it as a performance. It's a performance to say never again. And they teach us this in in in schools.

You know? Never again. We're never gonna kill Jews again. What about everyone else? You're literally killing everyone else.

I mean, it's not even just to do with the killing. It's to do with the enslavement and everything that they do. I mean, going back to France, they quite literally had a human zoo in 1994. That is thirty years ago. I have siblings older than that, and I'm only 20.

So it doesn't make any sense for them to say any of this kind of stuff. They quite literally kidnap people from the Democratic Republic Of The Congo. They take them to France, put them in cages, and let people come and watch them. This was in the nineties. This was in the era of the cell phone.

It doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Because every single time, they're like, oh, we never do this. We've never done this, and never again will we do it. Well, you're still doing it. Well, why?

You're still doing it to this day, Yani. Today today, they are killing people. Yesterday, they were killing people and so forth for literally hundreds and hundreds of years. Yani, not one day did they stop killing people. Not one day did they stop enslaving people.

They still enslave people. When we talk about the American domestic violence and everything that they have within their own country, when we talk about the people who are incarcerated within their prisons and everything, they are enslaved. They are doing unpaid manual labor. That is a pretty word for enslaved. Those people are still enslaved.

And so they will never not commit violence against anyone. They will commit violence against absolutely everyone because of this megalomaniac ideology that they follow. The the ideology that they need money, that they need power, and the only way to get it is through the taking and the enslavement of millions and millions and millions of lives.

I mean, the the the truth of the matter is that they say never again, and they say we've changed precisely so they can get away with doing it again while you're not looking. They they say it specifically so that you can be assured that they won't do it, and the only reason they're saying it is because they have every intention of doing it again. They have every intention of never changing. That's exactly why they say, oh, never again. We're we've we're a changed man.

We'll never do it again. Just so that you'll let your guard down and they can start doing it right away. Just like like like the school of the Americas, for example. We were just talking about it this morning on on one of the lives. The school of the Americas, which was a torture school created in The United States to to to teach a paramilitaries and dictators and torturers all throughout the global South that were puppets of The United States, teaching them the most heinous, disgusting, horrific torture techniques.

Then this school got found out and it got a lot of bad press. It got a lot of bad publicity. I assume that a

lot of the

people who were listening probably already know about it, but if you don't, you should. Then it was officially shut down in the year 2000, I believe. 2000. But it wasn't shut down. They just changed the name.

That's all they did was rebranded and changed the name, and they kept doing exactly what they've been doing already for decades. This is their pattern. This is their modus operandi. It's exactly like a sociopath or a psychopath. As long as they can get away with it, they'll do it.

And as long as you give them the benefit of the doubt, they will abuse that benefit of the doubt, and they will keep committing the crimes that they've always committed, which is again, I this isn't the topic of the of the conversation, the topic of the discussion, but this is exactly why we need to expel The United States from the United Nations. Because the only way that they could you can ever change their behavior is to hold them accountable. And the only reason that they've been able to get away with everything that they have been able to get away with is because they rigged that institution so that they could be above the law and never have accountability. Their hegemony is based exclusively upon their impunity, and the only way that you can ever get them to change their behavior is by depriving depriving them of that impunity and holding them accountable.

Exactly. And just before I give the mic to our brothers, I just wanted to say two points. Right? Like, sister Iman mentioned, you know, the prisons. Right?

When it was the Soviets doing it, it's called Gulag. Right? Then we have to condemn it. And in America, it's called a prison. Right?

It's just a normal thing. Right? No issue with that. The other thing is, right, like, when you mentioned the with the technological aspect. And so this is, you know, the progress.

Right? This progress of the western civilization. We are the ones doing the progress. Right? But when we started bringing it in, you know, the light of war and yeah.

Then it had that was the technology. Sorry for that. Right? It's not our fault. Is it you know, everything is just whatever suits the specific topic.

We just change it, you know, without any, like I I hope I'm getting my point across right. But, you know, the everything they, like, use as the values or there's something positive when it it can be used as something negative. It can be as a positive, whatever. Right? It's just how the situation goes for it.

Right? So yeah. So brother Angie?

Yeah. I mean, of course, when you when you when you when you look at the way, I would say the collective conscience work, it's it's it's it's it's remarkably insidious. I mean, you had you just had Anna Anna Lina, what's her name? Is it the foreign minister of Germany? I I don't remember her.

I can't pronounce her last name. I mean, she's a member of the Green Party, and she's and and she just went out and blatantly said, you know, that if there are if it's okay to target civilians, if it means that we eliminate, the quote, unquote terrorists. I mean, this is a genocidal statement by a member of the Green Party, which is technique which is technically the most progressive party in Germany. You know? So imagine what the other parties think.

I mean, is quite remark it's it's remark it's a it's a remarkable observation in my opinion. And when when you think like that, it's it's it's incredibly reflective of just, you know, how things have always been, you know. It's like when they keep saying, like, Germany, keep saying never again. It's like, for example, an abusive husband or an abusive spouse who beats his wife or she beats her husband or the other way around, and then they say, never again. Never again.

I'm not gonna hit you with the hammer, but maybe next time I can shoot you with a gun, you know. It's it's that simple.

Yeah. Exactly. It's subhanAllah. Like, you know, like, we just saw Yahya Senor. Right?

You know, where was where were the human shields? Where were the civilians? Where were the victims? Right? Who are who are you saving, Yahya Senor?

What what are you saying? Right, Ghani? This was the biggest explosion that they could have, you know, done. You know, he was on the front lines. He was battling.

He was alone there. You know, I couldn't see any civilians over there. I couldn't see any kids over there. You know? The only kids I can see is when you pump them to, you know, in flames.

Right? When you pump hospitals, when you pump schools, I couldn't see any Hamas soldiers having some kids with them. What what what are you talking about? Brother Amlan, please go ahead.

So, yeah, again, with the double speak. Right? So it's it's it's breathtaking how they they frame it when other people do it but when they do it, right? So they would say that, okay, Turkey, you know, they committed mass massacres against the Armenians. Well, when did they do that exactly?

Oh, after the state, after the nation state, which is your model of of governance. Right? That minorities should not be accepted within any nation state. And so that we will we we you have to do that because you have to have a homogenous composition of your nation state. Right?

But not in the not ever in Islam have has that been done. But look at what happened like three hundred or four hundred years before in in Spain, in Andalus. You ethnically cleansed Muslims from there. You don't have any any any Muslims who who can trace their ancestry back to the to the Andalus period living in Spain. I mean, not not not I mean, not technologically speaking.

So when they do it, they will say, yeah, it's it's bad. It's not us. It was, you know, just But when when we do it and we don't do it because we wanted to do it but because your model of governance compelled us to do it because we wanted to be better some in some cases. And so it's like you're Muslims. You always do that.

It's in Islam. It's inherently in Islam. It's not it's not a single incident case. No. It's inherently in how you guys think.

It's in your your religion. It's inherently in how you were raised. It's inherently in how you you perceive the world. Wow. So so it's not inherent in your case as well.

No. It's a single case. It's a single incident case in your case, but in my case, it's how it's it's my life's work. So I I I mean, imagine if it if it was turned the other way around. If imagine if Hamas was doing what Israel is doing in Gaza right now.

In Israel. If Hamas was doing in Israel, what Israel is doing in Gaza right now. The world would be in it it would be a a cosmic earthquake. Literally. No one would be in their seats.

I mean, we have we have some international support, of course. Sorry. We have international support, of course, but you have to to admit if it if if it had been the other way around, things would have been very different, and the rhetoric would have been extremely violent from your side. Sorry, brother. Go ahead.

No. I just wanted to say, yeah, we fight our you know, the extremist groups that show up. Right? You support your extremist government. Yeah.

That's the difference. SubhanAllah. Brother Toreen.

Oh, okay. It's it's fine, but okay. Yeah, I just want to add something on the topic of colonization and and how the various empires dealt with the the lands they they conquered. I come from the Balkans. I'm a I'm a native, you know, Balkan man, European, whatever you want to call me.