The Article 6 Campaign: Sisters in Resistance

What how did you know that it was your your, campaign to take on or your how did this come about for each of you? How did you end up here and having the courage to do something like this?

Thank you so much, Renee, for the opportunity for hosting us today in the first place. So I've always been not always, but, you know, people would off often describe me as somebody that's always or they'd say things like I should have been a lawyer, you know, because I'm I'm constantly fighting for the underdog, and I'm always fighting for something. And, you know, when I was younger, people would off like, when people say things like that to me, I think to myself, I don't wanna fight for other people. You know? It's not something that I wanted to do when I'm young.

You you're not thinking of, you know, anybody else except yourself. And as you get older and you you see there's so much injustice in the world, you realize or I realize that fighting for a cause is something that brings me so much more fulfillment than anything else. So like, a few years back, I was involved with an organization where we were fighting against gender based violence in our country. And that was really something where I felt I was putting like, I belong within an organization, any type of organization that allows me to right things that are wrong. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean like, you know, people would say a lawyer.

Because of the type of person that I am, if I see something is wrong, I'm going to say, no, that's not how we do things around here. And but fighting for women, fighting for the underdog was something that sparked that, made me realize that actually that is where I belong is within an organization that allows me to, bring about change within the world. So, coming to Mural Nation happened organically, and that was last year just before October 7. I landed, I've started, watching brother Pete Paulson's videos. I was consuming his content, And I'm this type of person, like, when I make up my mind of something or when I believe in something and, I'm I'm looking and I find people that are speaking online or whatever, I kind of, like, go and I look for a reason why I shouldn't follow you.

You know what I mean? And every time I watch the video, it's alright. Okay. We we we we think the same. It's okay.

But I bet you the next one, we're not going to think the same. And I haven't looked back since. So when it came to October 7 and all this was happening, things were just happening so fast within Middle Nation. You know, we all just started really getting together, understanding that something major is happening. We've always known, you know, as Muslims is even in South Africa, because I'm from South Africa, we've always known about the cause with that we need to assist with in, Palestine.

That's always been something that we've been taught from, birth to up until today, we've heard about, you know, we need to, pray for them. We need to, assist where we can and and, you know, that type of thing. And it's always felt like prayer is extremely important for me, but this also gave me the opportunity to actually start doing something physically beyond just writing a tweet every now and then when something happens online. And because it started for me with Middle Nation with, you know, doing the groundwork in terms of online with social media and spreading the message and spreading middle nation content and how that can be a long term solution, you know, your role within the organization starts shifting slight slightly. Your relationships change with people.

And eventually, you realize that, you know, we we become a team because when when Article six was born, you know, sister Samira was the one that has always been the one that has been the camp campaign leader for that. And we we used to work together because I I I would lead the brigades in terms of social media outreach and that, and we would collaborate constantly on how we can do things and where we can speak to people and how we can make a change. And, you know, that is more that is how, you know, change happens within. And when you see, things like, you know, when when when you realize that relationships change within an organization, you also take that for me. I take that as some sort of proof that, we can make a difference.

Yes. The legal measures are there with our campaign. We understand that. But it also takes actually people that really believe in the campaign because that is extremely important. So, yeah, that that's how I came to Muddle Nation and now it is that I've decided, well, I'd like to fix the world.

It sounds so simple like I'm fixing the world. No. It's not it and doesn't come from a place of arrogance when you go. You know? I I also want everybody else that decide that they're going to do something that tell yourself, you know, that you're doing something to fix the world.

You know? It's it's it might be a small thing, but it's it's it's not. It makes a change. It makes a difference. You know?

It's little ripples, pebbles on on on the pond and forms those ripples. It it it it does. It does make a change. So I think we all should own, the fact that, we have a responsibility not just to Palestine because that is how the whole thing came about. You know?

We also have a responsibility to countries like Congo. We have a responsibility to even people in your country, in America. Because, while our campaign is against the government, there is, we we understand that it's not the average American citizen. You know? We are all victims, but we also decide Yeah.

We're no longer going to be victims. You know? That is the most important part. We can't just, you know, lay down and accept it. So, yeah, I think I wanna hand over to sister Samira to maybe take it further from there.

Yeah. You were right spot on, sister Anissa. Like, what she said at the end that this is a cause for everyone, including Americans, because they are the first victims, actually, of their own government. And that's what we've been saying since we I joined the Middle Nation. So for me, I don't know even where it started, but I have always been, actually, since I was young, someone who doesn't just keep quiet whenever I see something that is not fair, something where I it's which is, like, so obvious.

And I wondered always, why are people quiet? Even my dad, he used to well, like any Middle Eastern or African father, he is always following the news. News is, like, every day is on, and it's always about international news and local news. And when when he sees those news and I'm, like, commenting on it a bit, and I and I say, but but that's wrong. Why is this not being stopped?

And then he's like, well, it's not always that easy or that simple. Like, he keeps saying that. And I'm like and most of the time, subhanAllah, that now that I think about it, it's always, well, it's because that's America. Well, it's because it's America. You know?

That kind of Mhmm. Justification. And I never understood what that means. I mean, so what is so different about America that they could just go ahead and do all pose this all this havoc everywhere? And I really did not understand that part.

And now fast forward, I understand exactly what is happening and how The US is treating everyone, I said, including its own citizens and all over the world. So, yeah, so this is something that has been with me. But when October 7 happened, I wasn't actually around like we had I was not around to actually see what is happening. I was not following the news for because I was in an event, a a family event. And when I came back and everything was about, like, change, like, lot of things have changed, and people are talking about this and that.

And I am like, what? What happened? And it it was shocking for me that and then the water immediately, the bombing started, you know, two, three days after that when I saw what was happening. It was just devastating. And and I was looking at YouTube, like, binging on, you know, on programs about current affairs and all this, the debates.

And luckily for me, Middle Nation video popped up in the algorithm in YouTube, and and and I just followed that. And I've been listening to brother Shahid's videos, and I joined the discussion group, which is really good, Middle Nation discussion group, which is open for the public. And we discuss about geopolitical issues, about everything that is happening. And brother Shahid is there. And when I then realized that there is Article six campaign that is run by the Middle Nation group, then I was like, oh, okay.

That's very interesting. I first joined the brigades. I I was not really active on the Article six, but then they're like, you know what? You are perfect for campaign. You are passionate.

Like, we could see it through you. Like, we think that you are a perfect person for to lead article six. And I'm like, woah. Wait. Wait.

I've never I've never been in a so so I funny enough, I've never been in act in activism before because I did not have the opportunity. Yeah. I just follow-up, but I've never been involved in activism because where I am, it's not something that is common. Like, we don't do that. You can do it on social media yourself individually, but not in a movement or in a community.

No. So when they say that, are you sure? I keep telling them, are you really sure? Because I've never done this thing. And they said, you are the perfect person because that's what we need.

Someone who who does it out of passion, not because there is something in it for them or anything. Just you you like, you will be perfect. And I'm like, okay. That's if you think, but I need your help. Mhmm.

Because I I would really need it, and that's how I just said, okay. I I I but it's it's fulfilling. That's the best part of it. Yeah. It's really fulfilling.

It's like you're doing something for us. For me, personally, I just want to do a little bit that I can do. The like Yeah. Because it's not obviously, not gonna solve the problem. But as sister Nisa said, if you could do your part, if each one of us could do that little part that they can do, then, Inshallah, we will be able to change the world into a better place, inshallah.

Yep. So sister Imam.

Assalamu alaikum. Thank you for hosting today. My story does start very similarly to sister Simila Sis Denise, but I was very active when I was a child. I mean, I always thought about this is wrong, this is this, this is that. The way I actually entered into Middle Nation was my father always watches Middle Nation videos and he was following Shaheed Bolson and he would always send me videos of brother Shaheed.

And I started following him, I think, back in January when the article six campaign on change.org opened. And I signed the campaign immediately, and I'm very vocal on my social media. And then one day, Shahid followed me back on TikTok, and I was ecstatic because now I have the option to actually DM him. So I wanted to ask about the legalities of doing what I do because I'm very outspoken and I don't know if I'm brash with what I say. So I asked him about the the legalities of what I do on social media because I I know what he has been through with everything.

Right? So I did ask him about that and he was like, well, I followed you because you do great work so why don't you join us? And I was like, se lass, I'm joining you guys. I'm now part of Middle Asian. But essentially, I'm Algerian and Palestinian.

So my mother is Palestinian, my father is Algerian. My grandparents were displaced during the Nekbar. So, my grandmother lived in Haifa. My grandfather lived in Jerusalem. He was displaced to Gaza, and then they went to the Kuwait, and then there was the Gulf War, and they were displaced from there from the Gulf War to Syria.

And then they lived through another war in Syria. So they've lived through a lot of hardships. And then on my dad's side, my grandmother lived through French colonialism, so did my grandfather, and they used to fight that as well. And, in the nineties, my dad was targeted because he was seen as an Islamist. Right?

And in the nineties, there was like this huge thing where any guy with a beard would be killed and my my father's friend was killed because he had a beard. Right? So he had to leave Algeria because of that. So I think the anti colonialism is in my DNA. It's in my blood.

And essentially in school, especially in my sociology class when I was in sixth form. And sixth form is basically junior and senior year for America. Right? So when you're 17 and 18. We have that as a separate thing from high school.

In my sociology class, I was always the only one who was questioning the system in every way, shape, and form. I mean, we would talk about education and I agreed with Karl Marx, who I know is a Zionist, but I agreed with him because he said that school is a money making machine and I completely agree with that. I mean, it's mandatory for a specific reason. I talk about how indoctrination happens from a very young age, and I was the only person in my class who said this and the only person in my class who's getting a stars because apparently, I was the only person who wasn't, going through the exact is saying the exact same thing as everyone else. And that's how that's literally the moment I realized how deep the indoctrination runs.

Pardon me for saying this, but when I was a child, I used to always ask my dad, why is everyone around me so stupid? Now, I don't mean everyone was so stupid, but it was a question that I used to ask all the time. My dad's like, don't say stupid. They're not stupid. They're just not aware of what's going on.

And so essentially, another time I was kicked out of my religious education class, I was sent down to a lower set. So in The UK, your classes are based on your levels and your grades. So I was in the top class because my grades were really high. I was kicked out of that top class, meaning I've got kicked out of religious education and English. I got sent to set two because my teacher was a Zionist and she told me that Palestine doesn't exist and I'm telling her you are erasing my identity.

And essentially, I had to go with people whose grades were a lot lower than mine for about two years because of that simple interaction. Another time, an Israeli teacher who was Spanish by the way, with the name of Garthia, he threatened me as an IOF soldier because we were having an interaction in the corridor and he told me he was part of the IOF and it was a whole interaction and I'm the one who got in trouble for it. A man who kills my people, he he literally was in the IOF. He didn't get in trouble but I did for the entire rest of the year. Was in detention every single Friday for the entire rest of the year until he left because they said, until you apologize to him for saying that you kill my people, which is exactly what I said, you are going to be in detention every single week.

It was it was very bad. I've been in protesting since I was a child. I mean, I've been to protests all the time since I was a kid. I mean, my mother is Palestinian. My brother was actually a speaker for the PSC.

He used to go on stage and talk to people and, you know, do these spoken words things. I did spoken word poetry and posted those videos online and I got 10,000 likes on one of these, you know, those meme pages and everything. So this happened when I was like 14 and everything. So I faced Islamophobia because I'm a hijabi Muslim. I mean, I was in college, I was told to remove my hijab by so many people in solidarity for people in Iran.

And I said, well, why don't you put it on in solidarity for the Muslims who are forced to take it off in France? They didn't get the reference. Not my fault. And so essentially, I started my TikTok. My TikTok account has had a lot of political posts even before the October 7.

But I used to post my face and music and I don't do that anymore. So over the last two years, I didn't post anything political, or anything at all. I had 3,000 follows on TikTok. The moment the October 7 happened, I decided, you know what? I'm gonna post a video of just me talking like a podcast, you know, just a black screen subtitles, and it started to garner a lot of attention.

And to me, I was like, I've been trying to use my voice for years. This is the first time that people are actually listening. And the difference between posting political stuff two years ago and posting political stuff now is that people are actually listening for the first time ever. So people are actually always commenting on my video saying, Iman, we haven't seen you in a long time. Please post again.

We we rely on you for this kind of stuff. And so I do it and I keep doing it so that I can help the people and inform people. I mean, my account is not monetized in any way shape or form except when I go live and people send gifts. So I do it because I am Palestinian, I am Algerian, I'm a Muslim woman, I've been targeted and I've seen my people being targeted. It's in my DNA and honestly, I don't I don't like ignorance.

Yeah. And I like to educate people and I like to be the loudest in the room. So if I'm gonna be the loudest, I might as well say something helpful.

So That brings me to was trying to think of how to what we were messaging somewhere. I realized that there are there has to be a way to spotlight women in the resistance, like, because it's so incredible to see how certain women, including myself, not ever being an activist like this or even having any awareness, it's like I'm a totally different person now. And to hear each of you tell where you came from and just the strength that you have all had to have and maintain and and endure such a, like, just to grow up and not, and to be told you can't wear a hijab is so ignorant in itself. And I think I didn't understand it. Like, why?

I didn't understand anything about Islam or, you know, modesty covering your hair. And I actually learned it from YouTube. She's like 21 years old. But I, it, I needed the ex, like, the understanding. I needed to hear it from somebody.

Because, again, it's part of like the deprogramming or unlearning of all these things that I feel like it's in a crevice. Like you don't even realize it's there. It's just there. And I don't think people ask themselves. Like this doesn't, why am I why do I even question this?

Why you know, or why have I never questioned this? And I think hearing the women involved in this and, again, admiring Haya for what she's doing, getting to know you all. There's something magical happening that's incredible to see people. And I hope I was hoping you could tell me this because each of you has been in this or, you know, Iman having family Palestinian roots and generationally having these, you know, having to constantly defend who you are as a human being or even just your right to exist. This time right now, you do all think it's different.

Please say yes. But it is different because of the endurance that people have had, but not only that, I see more people like on YouTube, People that I would have never thought I would ever listen to or follow are now speaking about this. It's a shame that it took eleven months. But do you agree that it's reached a point where it's it's different than the time anytime before?

I personally agree it's different, not because of the people. Now, I I'm contradicting your point only just to say that The US is losing its power due to the rise of the global South, and that is due due to the people and and the the awakening that we're seeing. But I think the reason why we are able to be so vocal is because of the lack of power that The US has right now. I mean Yeah. If this had happened twenty years ago, no one would be able to say anything because The US's hegemony twenty years ago was absolutely insane.

It was instrumental in the killing of millions upon millions of people, and so people would not be able speak out the way that they do. And the people who speak against Islam and against POC and against absolutely everyone who doesn't fit into a white supremacist ideology, those people have a platform platform because this ideology of white supremacy is what leads. So essentially, I think it's to do with the global power dynamics rather than the people themselves, and that's why it's the perfect opportunity for us to be calling for Article six.

I I would agree with that, but I will also add the the changes in time besides the politics is the the social media itself, the availability of social media everywhere, the fact that, actually, it took a genocide for us to wake up. That's that tells you something. I mean, we have to see genocide without our own eyes for us to get up and speak up Because these things that they are doing has been happening, for a long time. It's for years. Yet now, when we saw it so up close within our phones, that's when we realized, okay.

This thing is really brutal. This is violent. You know? Mhmm. Mhmm.

As sister Imam said twenty years ago or something, it might have happened. It might have been happening, but we did not see it because it it used to be it happened in secret. Or Yeah. The the media would not report it. 100%.

Exactly. So Yeah. I think the social media and the fact that we actually witnessed genocide, we are eyewitnesses, you know? We are literal witnesses to this genocide. That have changed a lot within us globally.

Yeah. I agree. I agree. I think that then will lead me to tell me because when I first learned about this, and I had done a video before I even really fully understood. I had watched, I believe it was Lucius Reicher had done a video about Article six and calling on our leaders to, our political leaders, to basically make us all aware that we were violating our own laws of protection that we are supposed to have.

So explain, if you will, what exactly is Article six, What does it state? What does the Article itself state? How is The US violating it?

Yeah. Sure.

You want to you want to? I will It looks like Imanz is reconnecting, it looks like. Oh, there

you go. Okay.

So I will start with the what Article six is. So Article six is the United Nations Charter. It's part of the United Nations Charter. This charter has been signed by each and every country. So it's a framework to maintain peace and cooperation with among nations, the whole United Nations Charter, I mean.

So article six says that if any member, any member state, any country is found to be persistently persistently violating the principles and the values of the Charter, which is to keep global peace essentially. So if any of these member of the members is found to be persistently violating this principle, and then they are going to be expelled upon the recommendation of the security council, and they will be expelled by the general assembly. So the security council of the United Nations will recommend the expulsion of that member that is persistently violating the principles of the United Nations charter. And and then the general assembly would then, based on that recommendation, will vote and exile that member from the United Nations. So this is what the article six states.

And the reason our campaign is against The United States is because it's based on the belief that no other country, no other member state has violated the charter as persistently as The United States. So if there is anyone to be expelled from the United Nations, it it is going to be The United States because no one has done more damage to world peace than The United States. And so the justification for invoking article six against The United States is grounded in its, you know, numerous violations and misuse of that veto power. So the veto power is just one. The misuse of the veto power is just one of the violations of The United States regarding the United Nations because they misuse it to against the principle of the United Nations itself.

Imagine, they are using the tool of the United Nation, which is the veto power. To what? To violate the principles of The United Nations itself. You see? So that's what we Yeah.

That's why we we we think The United States. So the veto power the misuse of the veto power is just one of the violation, but there's numerous violations that The United fact, we can even argue that if they have violated each and every charter, every each and every article in the charter of the United Nations. Yeah.

Okay. Has anybody ever been expelled? Has any state, nation state ever been expelled from the UN? Has this ever happened with any anybody else who's had persistent as many persistent violations as The US has had?

No country has had as many persistent violations as The United States. So no country has ever been removed. I mean, some countries have come close, but they never have. Sister Nisa, I'll hand over to you. Okay.

Yes. No. She hit the nail on the head. You know? In a nutshell, that is what has happened.

It is rare. Invoking article six is extreme in the sense where you need to have been persistently violating, the principles. You know, the the reason why we stress on persistent because it can't be just one or two incidents. You know? It has to be a consistent thing.

And like as as Amir said and like as Iman said, you know, United States Of America has been the number one perpetrator against peace. We believe that they're the number one enemy against peace, which is why we don't we also believe that they don't have a right to have a seat discussing peace, keeping operations, having all this power, all this, you know, international influence because they are using the United Nations as a tool to commit all these crimes worldwide within its own borders and worldwide with impunity. You know? So we do say that because people have also people also have this impression that United States oh, sorry. The United Nations needs The United States, but it's not.

It's the other way around. The United Nations form becomes that tool that they use that makes them that where they refuse to be held accountable. And our campaign call calling for invoking of article six. You know, the first thing that we want is accountability. We expect after this that there would be respect for international law and that peace and justice and global security and cooperation is important.

Those are the fundamental things that we are trying to achieve. And we understand that, America at the moment is an obstacle when it comes to peace, security anywhere in the world. That is the the number one, culprit in this place.

So there's a couple of things that I'm thinking. As you were saying that, can you explain how does the UN how do these protections apply to us here in The United States? What is persistently being violated against us, our own its own citizens? Like, can you give me an I example of

can give you a plethora of examples of I mean, The US has been violating the United Nations Charter persistently even within their own country, which is a direct reflection of how they act in foreign affairs. Right? I mean, think about it. One hundred and seventeen people on average are killed every single day in The United States Of America through just gun violence. Okay?

If we look at any country which has a similar population, let's say Indonesia. Right? 832 people were killed in Indonesia in the year of 2022. That means that that is about two people a day. In 2022, in The United States Of America, twenty one thousand five hundred and ninety three people were killed.

So we're looking at eight hundred and thirty two to 21,593 people killed every single day. And then we also look at the fact that around one or two American soldiers were killed every day in the Iraq war. One or two American soldiers in a war were killed in a day. And then we also look at the fact that every single day across the entire globe, around twenty seven children are killed or injured every single day, not including in Gaza because this statistic came out before the genocide began. Twenty seven children killed or injured a day.

In The United States Of America, through gun violence, twenty three children are murdered or injured every single day. That is the same pretty much as every single global conflict worldwide combined. Right? So The USA is practically a war zone. The incarcerated rate in The US makes up 25 of every single person in the entire globe.

Twenty five percent. Even though there's only 300,000,000 of you guys, there are 8,000,000,000 people in the entire world. 25% of the people who are incarcerated are American in The United States Of America. And of course, it's disproportionately people of color. This is a systematic targeting of minority groups, including indigenous people.

That's why you have a group called the Missing and Murdered Indigenous Women because of the white supremacy that comes with all of this. And then you spoke about your son and how he was brutalized by the police and the police killed 1,163 people last year. 1,000 people killed by the police last year. Around 30 so so 40% of the people killed were unaccounted for in their ethnicity wise. It just says other or says unknown.

So we're just gonna look at 30% of this, 30% of that. 30% of the people who were killed were black or Hispanic. The other 30% were white people. However, white people make up 70% of the entire population. So where do we go from here?

It's obviously showing that The United States is heavily militarized, and this could actually be deemed as domestic terrorism because it comes with a very clear agenda. They want to kill people who are not white. It is domestic terrorism and they are that they are refusing to admit it. Because if I said any of these statistics about any other country, you know that The United States would have their boots on the ground right now and killing people. In fact, they would have their planes in the air, they would have their ships surrounding, and they would be killing those people, a 100 people every single day.

And that still won't make up the same average of the amount of people killed in The United States Of America every single day. I mean, The US is in a system of white supremacy. It is built on white supremacy. Even though they try to hide it behind the guise of Zionism now, they hide it behind the guise of this and that. They repackage their ideologies.

They reinvent their ideologies. But in in in actuality, it's always been white supremacy, megalomania, and colonialism. That's always it. They want power. They want money.

They get it through white supremacy. They believe in the supremacy of their own race. And this is something that is undeniable with this statistic that we are seeing with every single day where people of color are being absolutely brutalized in The United States Of America. And brother Shahid Bolson calls this a form of ethnic cleansing, and I have to agree. Because essentially, it's the white versus everybody else.

And ethnic cleansing often comes with xenophobia. It doesn't necessarily only come because you hate one group of people. Oftentimes, it comes with xenophobia, meaning you hate everyone except yourself. I mean, look at what Adolf Hitler did in in World War two. I mean, the Nazis didn't just kill Jewish people.

They killed Polish Catholics. They killed Romani people. They killed Muslim people. They killed people who were not white blonde with blue eyes. That is xenophobia.

That is ethnic cleansing. That's what's going on in The United States Of America, and that's why it's a direct reflection of what they do across the entire globe. Just look at how their political project of Israel, because Israel is their project, their geopolitical project in The Middle East, a wedge between Asia and Africa, a wedge between the Arab world, a wedge between Muslim countries. Just look at how they're treating the Palestinian people, and you would see that it's the exact same thing. And, of course, like you mentioned earlier, the American police were actually trained by the IOF.

I mean, look at the NYPD. They were trained in Israel, in so called Israel. Sorry. Israel is a colonial project and doesn't essentially, it it does not have the right to exist because its fundamentals, its its foundation is the ethnic cleansing and the bloodshed of the Palestinian people. Thank

you so much. Yes. Just that I just wanted to add that so for each and every crimes that sister Imam has mentioned, it's a violation of the United Nations' international laws. So for example, when we see about the forced laborers in prisons in The United States, it's against the International Labor Organizations Convention and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. And then there's the racial discrimination, which is against the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination and of course, the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

Police brutality is also against the Universal Declaration of Human Rights and International Convention on Civil and Political Rights. So all these universal declarations of human rights and international laws that The United States violates, they violated also internally within domestically within The United States. So you've got the racial profiling, the racially biased mass incarceration, the discrimination and suppression of voting rights, which is against the International Convention on Civil and Political Rights and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. The discrimination against Native Americans is against the United Nations Declarations on on the Rights of Indigenous People and the International Labors Organization. So all of this, the mistreatment of migrants and refugees, the mass surveillance and violations of privacy is also against the United Nations international laws.

So, yeah, The United States, their first victim is their own the first victim of The United States is their own citizens, basically.

I think I always because of the my own life experience, I grew up on a basically, a Navajo Indian, Native American reservation. So Winslow, Arizona is a very small community and so our family is was very connected to people who were living on the reservation. There is, it's horrific now, thinking back to those times. And at the time, I didn't know, I was a little girl, but we would go to powwows and, you know, there were mobile homes out there, no electricity. I mean, it it was thinking back to this that time in my life, it's, astonishing to me how asleep people still are.

Like watching the DNC, I just it's the way I look at this whole country now is so different. I feel like I'm seeing something that's I'm living in two different worlds. Like, this is do you all not see what's happening here? So educating people to understand this and I am going to ask this question because part of what I started to do was, with Haya's permission,

I said, I am going

to send this to all media organizations. So any that I watch on YouTube, that are independent, I am just going to, they have comment sections. I sent an email to all of them. I also reached out to a woman I know from Code Pink. I met her because I was looking for somebody to share the tax information with.

Turns out she is my neighbor. We met for coffee. I told her, you know, about my tax initiative. And we are both leaving the coffee shop and we walked to the same place. So, when this, when I, and all, that is a separate thing, the tax thing, but I thought, how does Code Pink or any of these bigger organizations, how have they not spoken about this?

So I sent an email to her and I asked her, will you please host them on your podcast? Because she does a podcast with, Madea Benjamin. And I don't want to, you know, put her on the spot, but one of the comments that came back in the email, I was really disappointed, but I continued persistently to push back on this. And I am going to ask you all to maybe address this because her response was, while The US is an outlaw committing genocide in Gaza and responsible for millions of deaths in the war on terror, I do not see how expulsion would serve the world. On the contrary, it would con it would consolidate The US as a terrorist rogue state working with other rogue states that would soon, therefore, be expelled as well.

Now let and then there one more paragraph. The UN has while the UN has dashed our hopes for ending Israel's slaughter and and genocide, But without the UN, what do we even have to reference for international law? I know you guys are gonna have this one, you'll have a lot to say on. The issue the The US, a signatory to the Genocide Convention, can at least be held to account publicly, image wise, for violating that treaty. Trade sanctions, yes.

Expulsion, no. Now, my response was, I pushed back in my own way with the knowledge that I had to say, that we're basically saying the same thing we've been hearing from Israel, which is we're investigating that. We're investigating that. I saw a video the other day of, the investigation they were supposed to do for six year old, you know, child who is calling for help. All of that was supposed to have been investigated.

Sorry, my mind just went to read, but it was, it was, my wife what's her name? I forget. I don't know why I've blanked her name.

It's the Hind Rajab.

Hind Rajab. How is it that after a hundred and ninety something days, our state department is still saying they are investigating it. Essentially what I am saying to you is this is the same thing The US is saying we are investigating ourselves or they are being given the authority to investigate themselves which is never going to happen. Are never going call themselves out on what they are doing. So, can you just address that both of those points because the second thing I want to say is I understand that The US has not even made the payments that it is supposed to the 22% of whatever the budget is that's supposed to be paid to the UN.

The US hasn't paid that because we're $35,000,000,000,000 in debt, but I'll let you address it.

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this crazy to me. Sure.

So you know what? And it comes, like you said, it comes from decades of the same mentality, and that comes from America propaganda, you know, teaching everybody that we the greatest nation on earth and which also you know, even if it's an entertainment, you know, those are things that you are people are programmed with that you cannot defeat America. And but it all comes down to firstly, it is things that they say and that is how they get people to be submissive because you believe what they are telling you. And that is how they are able to use violence because you won't be able to retaliate because you believe that they are all powerful. But in actual fact, they are using the United Nations to greenlight their crimes by using veto power for allies, for themselves, or by corrupting the organization.

The United Nations is not just the general assembly. It is not just the United Nations Security Council. It has organs as well, such as the ICJ, which is working to you know, when when it comes to the genocide, not just with Palestine, with with different cases happening right now. So United Nations is not completely useless. You know?

The the problem is the corruption that exists within a certain entity of when it comes from, you know, America within the organization. So we won't we don't believe that the United Nations is, unsolvageable. We think that it can be reformed. We do think that it is possible that they can be expelled. The reason why that is is because the charter makes provision for that, and it has never been invoked before.

Now if people could say, but it's been invoked before and it didn't work, yes. You know? Perhaps that you could have that, but it all comes down to being programmed into believing that The United States Of America can never be held accountable, and that is not true. As we can see, there's a shift happening. America is being isolated, politically, economically.